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Thank you so much,

I have been in touch with somebody on here who has John and Euphemia in their tree.

I have joined Scotlandspeople aswell,so I'll check if John was listed as a Bootmaker on Isabellas Birth cert like he is on the Marriage one.

Thanks again for all your help you have been brilliant.

Julie

Marriage for Euphemia's parents.

ROBERT DICKIE Pedigree
Male Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: CATHERINE MORRISON Family
Marriage: 09 JUL 1813 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Kath

Hi Julie,
This is the marriage of John & Euphemia.


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EUPHEMIA DICKIE Pedigree
Female Family


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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHN GRAY Family
Marriage: 14 NOV 1841 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Kath

Thanks everyone,

Dont be sorry Kath that info is fantastic.

I've had a word with my Dad because there more his than mine lol, and I'm going to register for Scotlandspeople.

Thanks enormously

Julie

Sorry Julie, I jumped in before I had looked at the entire thread.

Kath

EUPHEMIA DICKIE.
This is a submitted entry on the IGI but I checked on scotlandspeople and it is correct.

EUPHEMIA DICKIE Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 DEC 1818 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Death:
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Parents:
Father: ROBERT DICKIE Family
Mother: CATHARINE MORRISON


Kath

Isabella's father John.
JOHN GRAY Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 09 MAY 1818

Christening: 16 MAY 1818 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN GRAY Family
Mother: AGNESS REID


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

John Gray's brother's & Sisters.

76. ELIZABETH GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Christening: 21 AUG 1816 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

77. JAMES GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 09 FEB 1830 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

78. LAURENCE GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JAN 1815 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

79. THOMAS GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 25 APR 1813 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

80. AGNESS GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 20 MAY 1824 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

81. AGNES REID GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 30 AUG 1832 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

82. WILLIAM GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 14 MAR 1828 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

83. JOHN GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAY 1818 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

84. DAVID GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 12 MAY 1820 Tulliallan, Perth, Scotland

Kath

This is the children listed on the IGI for John & Euphemia Dickie.

76. EUPHEMIA MEIKLEJOHN GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 19 APR 1851 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

77. DAVID GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 10 APR 1847 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

78. ISABELLA GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 18 FEB 1856 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

79. WILLIAM GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 25 MAR 1864 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

80. JAMES GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 15 MAR 1842 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

81. ROBERT GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 25 JAN 1862 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

82. AGNES GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Female Birth: 10 APR 1858 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

83. JOHN GRAY - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Birth: 26 MAR 1845 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Isabella is there:

ISABELLA GRAY Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 18 FEB 1856 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
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Parents:
Father: JOHN GRAY Family
Mother: EUPHEMIA DICKIE


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Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.


Kath

Hi Julie,
Going by the 1861 census, this is Isabella's brother David.

DAVID GRAY Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 10 APR 1847 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
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Parents:
Father: JOHN GRAY Family
Mother: EUPHEMIA DICKIE


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening

So John Gray's wife was Euphemia Dickie.

Kath

Yes Julie, you can print off the findings as well as saving them to your computer.

Just a word of caution, Gray is not an uncommon surname and Euphemia was a pretty widely used christian name in the 1800s. Hope you manage to find the correct parents.

Sorry, if I am stating the obvious here but are you aware of the typical Scottish naming pattern - it can be helpful when researching Scottish ancestors.

First son named for paternal grandfather
Second son named for maternal grandfather (sometimes with his surname as a middle name)
Third son named for the father
First daughter named for maternal grandmother (sometimes with her maiden surname as a middle name)
Second daughter named for paternal grandmother (sometimes with her maiden surname as a middle name)
Third daughter named for the mother (sometimes including her maiden surname)

Thanks Rootgatherer,

I might try it out in the next couple of days.

Can I print off my findings?

Its just that its easier for my parents to understand it,or do I just leave it in a file.

Thanks again

Julie

Julie

When you search on Scotlandspeople you can get up to 23 search results on a page. Each page costs 1 credit to view, so don't narrow your search too much. Once you view the page with the search results that's you got access to it and you can go back time and again to view the results of your search and select which entries you wish to look at . Each entry costs 5 credits.

Scottish birth certificates give the names of both parents and the father's occupation. Statutory registration began in Scotland in 1855. birth entries after 1860 also give the date and place of the parents' marriage.

Thanks Secret Red,

I'll have a look into it

So if I get it right first time I'll only use 6 credits at the most?

Does it give the Fathers occupation like the English certs that I've got?

Thanks once again

Julie

Julie, you can Scotlandspeople. I think they still charge £6 for 30 searches.

It doesn't operate in the same way as the GRO. If you get it right, it can be a lot cheaper but you do may want to practice before using up your credits. There's a certain knack of getting the most out of the system and stop you looking through pages and pages of unnecessary screens which use up your credits.

If you are lucky you can use as little as 1 credit to find the certificate and then you pay 5 credits to view the certificate you want leaving you a few credits to spare :)

It's an instant download too :) I love the site.

This is the FAQ:

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/faqs/index.aspx?42

Edit: PS civil registration for Scotland started later than England, ie 1855 so you just about scraped in but you just missed 1855 which I refer to as the bonus year because it tells you everything about the family.

If you find any deaths in Scotland, they will also give the parent's names and occupations including the mother's maiden name. This is the same for marriage certificates.

Good luck.

I have just found a birth for an Isabella Gray,

Parents are John and Euphemia,right area and year Feb 1856.

Do you order certificates the same way as you do on GRO?
Are they the same price?

Thanks again for all your help

Julie

Just found a possible marriage on IGI for Isabellas parents.

John Gray married a Euphemia Dickie in 1841 dec qtr
in Tulliallan Perth Scotland.

There was also a possible Christening for Euphemia in Clackmannan

28th December 1818

Thanks again Mel & K

Julie

Hi K,

I thought it wouldn't be that easy.

I might have to get Isabellas birth cert to be positive,but I'm not sure where in Scotland she was born.

Oh dear here is a John with wife Euphemia and it is another 1891 census but this one is a grocer.

1891 Scotland Census
about John Gray
Name: John Gray
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Euphemia
Gender: Male
Where born: Currie, Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Mary
County: Midlothian
Address: 23 Union Pl
Occupation: Grocer
ED: 86
Household schedule number: 98
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1891_343
Household Members: Name Age
John Gray 73
Euphemia Gray 73
Eliza Gray 31
Cahterine Gray 29

Thanks again,

My Dad will be having a look at all the info tomorrow as their his mothers grandparents.
Its amazing how quickly your tree can grow,and how quick you can find all the info.

Thanks

Julie

Yes thats what I thought Julie.