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Looking at all the information given, I think Doris came from one of two families, either with her mmn of Giles or mmn of Pearce, I think Giles could be the front runner, as there was also a brother of this Doris called Alfred who, as Michael said could be the witness name on the marriage certificate. I need to try and find them on the electoral role. Does anyone know how I access this without going to the office? Is there a site I can view?

Ellen Edwards 1912 Rainback Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
........Carrie F Pearce 1912 Rowe Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
Frederick E Raimback 1912 Edwards Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey
........Arthur J Rowe 1912 Pearce Wandsworth Greater London, London, Surrey

Than you everyone for all the information you are sending me. it is very difficult to find out the facts without a little more information. Not actually knowing where Doris was from. The only reason we thought she may come from the London area was her giving birth in a London clinic, but she could have gone there to get away from her family. She seems to have covered her identity well, she obviously did not want anyone to find out about it.

To answer the question of the electoral role, no I have not tried that. How do I get this information. At least it may tell me if this was her in-laws address or hers by who else lived there

Birth
Doris E Rowe
4Q 1919 Lambeth Greater London
1d 476
MMN Giles


marriage
Edward A Rowe
4Q 1912 Southwark
Spouse Ivy A Giles
1d 323

this could be your witness
Alfred Rowe
Mother's Maiden Surname: Giles
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1921
Registration district: Limehouse
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 428

you said you thought she was from london area

Thanks - I couldn't remember about whether the age was given or not :-))

But if nothing else, (if Doris was living at home?), it will give her parents names as they would have both been over 21 and then we should know whether her father was Edwin or Edward - and, just as importantly, her mother's name.

Mary

ER's do not record ages - and include only the people registered to vote at the specific address in any given year

Hi Genda

Have you done an Electoral Roll search for the address given on your friend's birth cert for the year 1938?? If it was Doris's home address it will give the other people at the address....i.e. her parents names and (I believe, ages) which would really help.

Mary

Thank you for the information. I thought we had sent for that birth certificate, but it is not in the information my friend left me. She is away at the moment, so when she is back, I will ask her for it. Meanwhile I will follow the Pearce trail. I am sure I have done this before, hence the mistake at the beginning saying her name was Pearce.

The 1920 Yeovil birth for Doris is looking the most likely.

Doris E Rowe.
1920 reg details, Sept Volume -5c------Page 663.Yeovil,,,,,,,,,,,,boarders with Dorset.

maiden name of mother -Pearce,,,,,so you need to find the parents a marriage between Pearce and Rowe....

The profession given for Fredrick Isaac on the marriage cert is Royal Navy Is there any way we could find out more about them through the navy? do they give details ?

Sorry The marriage cert says her father is Edwin Alfred a labourer, but his signature at the bottom says Edward Alfred Rowe. The pensioner is Fredrick George Isaac's father. The ages given on the cert are 22yrs for Fredrick and 19 years for Doris

Hi Genda

Can you just clarify please? In an earlier post you said Doris's father was Edwin Alfred - pensioner on her marriage cert.

Is he Edward Alfred?? - pensioner or labourer???

Mary

We have purchased 4 birth certificates in total so far with no names or addresses as on her daughters birth cert or the marriage cert. On the marriage cert it says her father is a labourer, It is father that is retired, but it does not say deceaced. The marriage cert is signed Edward Alfred by him., and also a A G Rowe has sighned as a witness.

Yes we have both these and eliminated them, also doris Evelyn 1919 kidderminster and Doris E 1919 Waltham West so far no joy.

I would expect that you have already been given the following info.....but just in case not, I'm adding it here:

Births:

Doris E Rowe mmn Budd Q2 1920 St Olave 1d 440

Doris E Rowe mmn Pearce Q3 1920 Yeovill 5c 663


Have you bought either of these birth certs to eliminate them?


Mary

here are the facts that we have. Doris Evelyn Rowe gave birth to a girl (nancy) on 28th October 1938 ata nursing home in Hackney Birth reg 17th november 1938 The address given was Sunnyside Bradpole father unknown. Nancy was adopted. The only other fact we have is that Doris Evelyn Rowe 19 married Fredrick George Isaac 22 at Bradpole Dorset on Sept 23rd 1939. his profession was given as Royal Navy The address was Sunnyside Bradpole linking the two.Those are the only facts we have. Any help would be appreciated

Copying Genda's OTHER thread about this person
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Genda 19th April 2010 16:13 Request review
Fredrick Isaac married Doris Evelyn Rowe in 1939 at Dorset. he died in 1999. Also any link to the family of Doris Rowe who is thought to be from the London area

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Flick 19th April 2010 16:23 Request review
Buy the marriage cert - find out the names of both fathers - also Doris's age at the time



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Flick 19th April 2010 16:25 Request review
Is this Frederick?

Name: Frederick George Isaac
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1999
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: East Dorset
Inferred County: Dorset
Register number: A5
District and Subdistrict: 4261A
Entry number: 248


Did Doris also have a second name which you haven't mentioned?

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Flick 19th April 2010 16:27 Request review
????????????

Name: Frederick G Isaac
Spouse Surname: Rowe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Registration district: Bridport
Registration county (inferred): Dorset
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 1544
Find Spouse: DORIS E ROWE

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Michael 19th April 2010 16:29 Request review
Do you mean this wedding ?

Isaac not Issac
Rowe not Pearce ???

Marriages Sep 1939 ------------------------------------------------

Isaac Frederick G - Rowe Bridport 5a 1544
Rowe Doris E - Isaac Bridport 5a 1544


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Michael 19th April 2010 17:24 Request review
It would be handy to know what the E stands for in Doris' name.

Perhaps she was born Pearce and then her mother married Mr Rowe and so that was the name Doris grew up with.

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Flick 19th April 2010 17:33 Request review
It would be good to know if ANY of the info found is relevant.



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Flick 20th April 2010 16:34 Request review
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Genda Yesterday at 09:43 Request review
Thanks for the information I got the name wrong. The fredrick Isaac you found is the correct one, but Doris Pearce was Doris Evelyn Rowe.born 1920C I am looking for her family who i think orriginated in London area. Sorry i didnt respond quickly, I am new at this.

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Flick Yesterday at 09:49 Request review
OK - the advice is still the same - buy the marriage cert

You will then find out her declared age - plus her father's details.

That will enable you to look for her birth and the marriage of her parents

Please now delete your other thread, to comply with GR rules of one post per topic. Thank you

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Genda Yesterday at 17:50 Request review
We have the marriage cert. doris's fathers name is Edwin Alfred Rowe down as a pensioner. Fredrick's father is Ernest Isaac Labourer. the adress given is 2 Sunnyside bridport Dorset. Married23rd Sept 1939. my friend is the illigitamate daughter of Doris. She was born in October 1938 father unknown. our connection was the address, as on my friends birth cert, the address is given as Sunnyside, even though she was born in a london nursing home. She wishes to find any family link but cannot seem to get any further.Any help please.

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Flick Yesterday at 22:08 Request review
Can you confirm Doris's age when she married - just as a double-check

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Genda Today at 09:51 Request review
Doris was born in 1920 . the date of her marriage was 23rd september 1939 making her 19 or 20.

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Flick Today at 09:57 Request review
That wasn't what I had in mind - I was asking for her age when she married

Suggest you now look at freebmd, and try to find her birth

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

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Genda Today at 10:14 Request review
I have just had someone who has come up with a death certificate for a Doris Evelyn Isaac and the date of birth is now 6th October 1923 (if this is the right person) That would make her only 15 when she married. I am trying to find her correct date of birth

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Flick Today at 11:27 Request review
You still haven't answered the question about the woman's age on her marriage cert, so I'm unable to help you further.



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Genda Today at 12:23 Request review
Thank you for your help so far. I will ask my friend to show me the marriage certificate so I can see for myself. I will try again when I have more details.

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I will come back to you when I have more details. I do know where my friend Nancy(her out of wedlock daughter) was born as it is on her birth certificate, but i do not have it on me. Thank you for searching for me

Before you do too much searching, check the OTHER thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1217471

If you decided to get the certificate, here are the details
you'll need the reference details and then order via gro
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Remember when deaths, for this period, are registered evidence of the date of birth is not required - its only as good at the person supplying it; so it could be out by any number of years.

You say you have her marriage cert - what age was given?

Do you have any idea of where she was from?

You mention an out of wedlock daughter - when & where was she born?

MB