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any info on James Mckenzie b c1870 married to Grace Mcgregor bc1872. Known children are Robert- Frances- Dorothy- Margaret- and Ellen b 6/8/1899. James and Grace were living at 62 Parkside Street , Rosyth, Dunfermaline in 1928. Grace died 18/9/1936. In 1920 Ellen was living in St Stevens Place, Edinburgh. working as a shop assistant, she left to get married to George Hatton, in Reading, Berks and died there in 1963.

Possible.

1901 England Census about James McKenzie
Name: James McKenzie
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Grace
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Little Ilford St Mary the Virgin
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members:
Name Age
James McKenzie 30<<<<<Foreman Plasterer
Grace McKenzie 28<<born Kent
Hellen T McKenzie 2<<Scotland
Daisy McKenzie 1<<<Scotland

1911

MCKENZIE, James Head Married M 41 1870 Artificial Stone Manufacturer Stevenson Ayrshire
MCKENZIE, Gracie Wife Married
15 years F 38 1873 Kent Dartford
MCKENZIE, Helen Daughter F 12 1899 Renfrew Paisley
MCKENZIE, Gracie Daughter F 11 1900 Perth Lethendy
MCKENZIE, Harold Son M 9 1902 Essex Manor Park
MCKENZIE, Frances Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Newcastle Heaton
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30702 Reference:
RG14PN30702 RG78PN1756 RD558 SD6 ED46 SN276

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
Byker Enumeration District:
46 Parish:
Heaton

Address:
25 Stratford Road Heaton Newcastle-On Tyne County:
Northumberland

To track James back his marriage will be needed for parents details,there are a few that could be him on 1891.

If that is the correct family in 1901 that FBG has posted then Helen's birth certificate from scotlandspeople will give you the date and place of James and Grace's marriage.

There is one match on SP for a James Mckenzie marrying a McGregor in 1897,which would match with the amount of time married on 1911.

But it wont come up with the name Grace.

Message from Terry.

Thanks very much for the info. it looks promising. I didn't put in my request for help that Helen's middle name was Thompson.
I looked up Grace and found that a Mary Grace H MacGregor was born in Mar 1873 in Dartford, Kent. Would this by chance match the weddind that you found. Thanks once again.

Terry .
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You will need to reg with Scotlands people and buy credits to have a look for yourself at the entry as it is a pay per view site only and I am right out of credits.

You can search for free though.

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

But it does come up with Mary G Mcgregor marrying James Mckenzie in 1897.
But only a look at it would help to see if it is yours.

You can also find the childrens births on there and as said it will give the date and place of the parents marriage.

I intend to buy credits from scotlandspeople.can you please give me do's and donts to save time and money. Thanks

Hi Terry,

If you type in James McKenzie and Mary Gracie McGregor and 1897 it comes up with a match.

The tip is to to put in a wider search and then narrow it down as far as you can before using your credits.

Hope that helps,
Kind regards,
Cathy

By searching for free I have just found that the marriage between James

McKenzie and Mary Gracie McGregor in 1897 was in St Giles in Edinburgh

City ......so if you have a bit of patience and time it shouldn't cost you too much.

It's a brilliant site but I should have shares in it with all the money I've

spent on there!

Cathy

Thanks very much Cathy.
Terry

Me too Cathy ,me too.....sigh

But the info on Scottish certs is so much better than on English/Welsh,far cheaper for the viewable ones and instant to look at.
No Looooooooong wait for the postie.

But it's so addictive FannyByGaslight.......and I'm Welsh :-))

That's what I get for marrying a Scotsman!

Cathy

Terry you can use wildcards when searching on SP. Surnames beginning with Mac or Mc sometimes changed over the years and even within the same generation. When searching for a Mac or Mc if you enter the surname as M*Kenzie it will give results for McKenzie and MacKenzie..

When you are searching remember that you will get up to 23 search results on a page for your 1 credit. So when searching for the children of a marriage try putting in the date range for possible births and if you know it select then County. If that gives more than 23 results reduce the number of years until your results are listed on only 1 page. Don't put the Christian name in because this may not been the same as they have been registered (as on Grace's marraige where it looks like she was Mary Grace but known as Grace). Similarly Ellen's marriage entry may have her as Helen or Ellen and Margaret could be Margaret, Maggie, Peggie etc. on her marriage entry.

When searching for deaths you can put in a year of birth + /- a couple years to cover your options. Female deaths can be searched using both maiden surname and married surname. When researching deaths of a married couple always look for the female death first as her death certificate will say "married to" or "widow of" and therefore reduce the timescale to search for her husbands death.

Good luck with your search and once you use Scotlandspeople you will wish all you ancestors were Scottish. It can be much cheaper if you get the correct entry first time it is only costing £1.20 per entry as opposed to £9.25 for each English certificate and as has been said - no waiting for the postie!

can you please tell me what to expect from my search. I found the wedding of James and Mary, paid my 5 credits, and all I received was the names, year, and place, plus a data number, no other details ?.
Terry

1 Credit gets you that.

You then have to click on view where it says 5 credits and you will be able to download/print off the marriage cert that will be on view.

Do you have Java Script installed?you need that to see the marriage cert for your 6 credits in all.

It will have the couples ages,occupations,and both parents names including mothers maiden name,plus all the usual other things.

No, I dont have Java. I had a bug in my PC and had to get another one, I did have it on the old one. Thanks again, its a good job your out there willing to help.
Terry

You can easily install it I am sure,I managed it and I am totally illiterate on computer stuff.

Cant remember how though ,dear oh me I must remember to take my memory pills one day...

Terry, did you click on the View (5 credits) ?and then it came up with....
No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract

1 1897 MCKENZIE JAMES TREADWELL MCGREGOR MARY GRACIE HEL ST GILES EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 685/04 0048 VIEW

If it has taken your 5 credits then you have the record but you then have to click on that to open another window which will show the whole record

It looks like James had a middle name of Treadwell and Mary Gracie had a 3rd name of Helen (possibly)

Terry where are you???

There will be 2 marriages, one of which will be your James and Mary Gracie (hopefully) and another one as there are 2 to a page.

You are nearly there......honest!