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I am trying to get some information on my Grandparents, They were the parents of my Father Ronald William Giles born 05-07-1932 died 05-12-1986 His Mother was Lillian Boyce Russell born I think 28-1-1905 and his Father was Henry Giles born I think 1897 they had three sons and one daughter.Is there any body that might be related or has any information that could help me Thanks

Do you know which part of the country your grandparents were born?

I think they wre born in West Ham Essex

Could this be your grandparent's marriage? :-

Name: Lillian P B Russell
Spouse: Henry E. Giles
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1929
Registration district: West Ham
Registration county (inferred): Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 75

The certificate would hopefully give you their fathers names.

Kath. x

Name: Lilian Phyllis B Russell
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 330 (click to see others on page)

Thank Kath I will look it up.

Marriages Jun 1929
Boyce Russell Lillian P Giles W Ham 4a 75
Russell Lillian P B Giles W.Ham 4a 75
Giles Henry E Boyce-Russell W.Ham 4a 75

Marriage

Marriages Jun 1929
Boyce-Russell Lillian P Giles W Ham 4a 75
Giles Henry E Boyce-Russell W.Ham 4a 75

The birth registration that Jacky found will give you more details of Lilian's parents.

Kath. x

maybe useful for future reference?

1911 census transcription details for: 70 Grange Park Road Leyton
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9648 RG78PN513A RD188 SD9 ED15 SN119

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: North Leyton
Parish: Low Leyton Enum. District: 15
Address: 70 Grange Park Road Leyton
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
GILES, William Head Married
18 years M 61 1850 Private Means Canonbury Middlesex
GILES, Rosa Wife Married F 41 1870 Private Means Kings Cross Middlesex
GILES, Michael Son Single M 17 1894 Student Divinity Leyton Essex
GILES, Walter Son Single M 16 1895 School Leyton Essex
>>>>>>>>>GILES, Henry Son Single M 14 1897 School Leyton Essex
GILES, Rose Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Leyton Essex
GILES, Cicely Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Leyton Essex
GILES, Enid Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Leyton Essex
GILES, Harold Son Single M 5 1906 School Leyton Essex
BATEMANS, Alice Housekeeper Single F 46 1865 Kings Cross Middlesex
BARTLETT, Annie Domestic Housemaid Single F 27 1884 Wood Green Middlesex

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also this one......


1911 census transcription details for: 27 Station Road Forest Gate E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9395 RG78PN506 RD188 SD2 ED22 SN323

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Forest Gate
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 22
Address: 27 Station Road Forest Gate E
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
GILES, Henry Head Married
14 years M 38 1873 Agent Insurance Bethnal Green
GILES, Mary Wife Married
14 years F 37 1874 Dourimple Bethnal Green
>>>>>>>>>>>GILES, Henry Son M 13 1898 School Hackney RD
GILES, Mary Daughter F 12 1899 School Hackney RD
GILES, William Son M 9 1902 School Bethnal Green
GILES, Nellie Daughter F 7 1904 School Bethnal Green
GILES, Rosie Daughter F 5 1906 School Bethnal Green
GILES, Emily Daughter F 2 1909 Forest Gate
GILES, Ernest Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Forest Gate

i can,t seam to locate lillian on the 1911 census so the birth cert would be the best one to send for as it will name both father & mother rather than the marriad=ge cert as that would only name the father
good luck
jacky

Freebmd shows many births in the West Ham area, where the children are named ....(something) Boyce RUSSELL.
Possible siblings ???

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

Gwyn

Thanks Gwen

Possible sibling?

Births Jun 1912
Boyce-Russell Annie W mmn Herbert W.Ham 4a 389

I wonder if Lilian was known by her second name ?

1911 census transcription details for: 98 Mortlake Road
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9486 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED16 SN47

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 16
Address: 98 Mortlake Road
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
RUSSELL, William Head Married M 36 1875 Bricklayers Labourer Bristol Glos
RUSSELL, Annie Wife Married F 37 1874 Edinburgh Resident
RUSSELL, Mary Daughter F 13 1898 Lewisham Kent
RUSSELL, Bessie Daughter F 8 1903 Manor Park Essex
>>>>>>>>>>RUSSELL, Phyllis Daughter F 6 1905 East Ham Essex
RUSSELL, Doris Daughter F 2 1909 West Ham Essex

says William & Annie married 14 years but see next posting and marriage of 1897 to Thomas William Russell which would have been married 14 years in 1911. Believe that father, William Russell , on 1911 census was really William Boyce and maybe for the sake of propriety used the familys name of Russell. see marriage in 1914 in next posting.


on original copy are listed children that have died:-

Thomas, William, Jemima,Frederick, Mary or Harry ( unclear)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William Boyce Russell
Name: William Boyce Russell
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 284


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Jemima Boyce Russell
Name: Jemima Boyce Russell
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 270


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Frederick Boyce Russell
Name: Frederick Boyce Russell
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 328


Below are living children on census:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Bessie Boyce Russell
Name: Bessie Boyce Russell
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 263


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Doris Boyce Russell
Name: Doris Boyce Russell
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 205

Name: Lilian PHYLLIS B Russell
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 330

Here is a marriage for a William Boyce to Annie Russell:

Marriages Mar 1914
BOYCE William Russell W. Ham 4a 199
Russell Annie Boyce W.Ham 4a 199


1901 Census has Annie Russell listed as a widow- see below:

1901 England Census
about Annie Russell
Name: Annie Russell
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 180 Bessborough road
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Russell 27 widow
Mary C Russell 3 daughter
Thomas Russell 1 son
Jemima Hebert 18 visitor
Ellen Hebert 13 visitor
says all born Scotland but believe the children were not:-

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Elizabeth Ellen Russell
Name: Mary Elizabeth Ellen Russell
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Apr 1898
Father's Name: Thomas William Russell
Mother's Name: Annie Russell
Parish: St James, Hatcham
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex
address 28 Kneller Road
fathers occ: Labourer


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas James Sidney Francis Russell
Name: Thomas James Sidney Francis Russell born Sept 10 1899
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Oct 1899
Father's Name: Thomas William Russell
Mother's Name: Annie Russell
Parish: St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex
address 18 Kneller Road Brockley
fathers occupation Labourer


her marriage:
Marriages Jun 1897
Herbert Annie Greenwich 1d 1787
Russell Thomas William Greenwich 1d 1787

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Annie Herbert
Name: Annie Herbert
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: Thomas William Russell (Labourer)
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Apr 1897
Parish: St James, Hatcham
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: James Herbert(Tile Fixer)
Spouse Father Name: James Russell (Caretaker)
address 118 Foxberry Road

As the marriage of Boyce & Russell did not take place until 1914
perhaps the reason for children being called "Boyce-Russell " ..........Possible?

Births Jun 1912
Boyce-Russell Annie W mmn Herbert W.Ham 4a 389

the maiden name of mother matches the visitors on 1901 census above and the 1st marriage of Annie Herbert in 1897

Thanks Moody Blue the last one is correct she was none as Phyllis now I need to find her Mother's name as it dose not show on this site's birth certificate's I need to look somewhere else.

Hi Christine,

I believe that her mother's name was Annie Herbert.

Annie Herbert married Thomas William Russell in 1897 and was widowed by 1901 when she had a relationship with William Boyce whom she married in 1914.

Annie was from Scotland so maybe you will find her on Scotlandspeople.

1881 England Census
about Annie Herbert
Name: Annie Herbert
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 39 Warren St
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Herbert 31 Tile Fixer born Liverpool
Mary Herbert 31 wife born Midlothian Scotland
>>>>>>>>Annie Herbert 7 born Midlothian Scotland
Sydney Herbert 5 born Midlothian Scotland
Francis Herbert 3 born Midlothian Scotland

Annie's parents in 1891 with the two sisters of Annie that were with annie in 1901.


1891 England Census
about James Herbert
Name: James Herbert
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 118 Foxberry Road ( same address as on Annie's marriage in 1897)

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Herbert 40
Mary Herbert 41
Sydney Herbert 45 age should read 15 Post messenger born Scotland
Francis Herbert 13 born Scotland
>>>>>>>Jemina Herbert 7 born Brockley Kent
>>>>>>>Ellen Herbert 4 born Brockley Kent