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Hi everone, I am having difficulty finding any information on my Granfather's first wife Ruth. She was born in Streatham, London in 1887,their daughter Ruth Selina was born approx 1911 in Southwark, London. On the 1911 census they were living in West Derby Liverpool. My Mum, from his second marriage which took place in Liverpool, Nov 1921, was told his first family, except Ruth Selina, died in a pandemic / disaster. Any help with maiden name date of marriage or death, would be greatly appreciated. many thanks. Denise

What was your grandfather's name?

Ruths B/C will give you her Mums maiden name

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Phillips Ruth S Lambeth 1d 287

Sorry, it was Sydney

Daughter's birth - she should show on the 1911 census:

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Phillips Ruth S Lambeth 1d 287 Scan available - click to view

Jill

Is Phillips her maiden or married name?

Mary

???

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
NICHOLSON Ruth Hull 9d 563 Scan available - click to view
PHILLIPS Sydney Hull 9d 563 Scan available - click to view
TILMOUTH Charles Harold Hull 9d 563 Scan available - click to view
TILMOUTH Harold Hull 9d 563 Scan available - click to view

Thank you Julie.

Thank you Mrs Grumpy.

This one is better for location:

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
Donovan Alice Jane Croydon 2a 507 Scan available - click to view
Eldrett Ruth Croydon 2a 507 Scan available - click to view
Foster Edward Croydon 2a 507 Scan available - click to view
HUME Maggie Haining Croydon 2a 507 Scan available - click to view
Phillips Sidney Croydon 2a 507 Scan available - click to view

It was her married name.

Ruth's birth ???

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Eldrett Ruth St.Saviour 1d 7 Scan available - click to view

Other children?

Robert A S Phillips mmn Eldrett 1913

Lilian G b1915 - d1915

Both in West Derby area

Mary

Croydon looks promising. Thank you.

Possible baptism

Name: Ruth Eldrett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 17 Jun 1886
Father's Name: George Grey Eldrett occ Stoker
Mother's Name: Fanny Jane Eldrett
Address; 7 Cross St
Parish: Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Also baptised on the same day was Thomas Walter Gillson Eldrett with same parents.

How do you know she was born in Streatham in 1887? Is it from the 1911 census?

for info

1911 census transcription details for: 28 Easby Road Kirkdale Liverpool

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22465 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED22 SN281


Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale Enum. District: 22

Address: 28 Easby Road Kirkdale Liverpool
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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PHILLIP, Sidney Head Married M 31 1880 Marine A B Kent Margate

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PHILLIP, Ruth Wife Married 1 years F 24 1887 London Streatham

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PHILLIP, Ruth Selina Daughter F 0 1911 London Southwark

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I can't thank you all enough.

If the above birth is correct then this could be the family in the 1891 census

ame: Ruth Eldredd
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George G
Mother's Name: Fanny J
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark; Blackfreds Rd

Civil parish: Wimbledon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Wimbledon
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George G Eldredd 33 b Gt Sandford Essex occ Engine Driver
Fanny J Eldredd 33 b Maidstone Kent
Thomas W G Eldredd 7 b Gt Sandford Essex
Ruth Eldredd 5 b Blackfriars Rd Southwark
Ethel Eldredd 2/12 b Mitcham Surrey

Found this on the National Archives site. If he was in the Royal Navy it might be worth seeing if this is him. The year of birth is a bit out and it refers to Brompton rather than Margate but ...

Jill


Description
Name Phillips, Sydney James
Official Number: 175412
Place of Birth: New Brompton, Kent
Date 01 May 1878
Catalogue reference ADM 188/288links to the Catalogue
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 175001-175500
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference

Number of image files: 1
Image Reference

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412 / 1619 PDF 1.2 1 227 2 3.50
Total Price (£) 3.50

Yes it was from 1911 census. Thank you so much for all this information.