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Yes, very sad.....life was not easy in those days!

Well ladies i'm off to dish out dinner. Thank you all so much for your time. x

That would make sense. How sad for Sydney, to go from a family of 7 to 2 in a matter of a couple of years.

Really sad. Just makes you realise how lucky we are. I wonder what happened to Thomas then? When my grandad married my Nan in 1921 he only brought Ruth with him? The plot thickens!

Yes, you could be right. Just googled 'Spanish Flu' and it says the pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920
The virus caused three waves of disease. The second of these, between September and December 1918, resulting in the heaviest loss of life.

I'm wondering if they were the victims of the Spanish Flu?

No I can't find him either the only possibility is this but without the initials

Deaths Dec 1919
PHILLIPS Thomas aged 1 W.Derby 8b 390

Yes it is sad isn't it :-((

I can't find a death for Thomas W G though, so perhaps he didn't die either?

Mary

Births of other possible children to the marriage of Sydney & Ruth

Births Jun 1913
Phillips Robert A S Eldrett W.Derby 8b 641
Deaths Dec 1918
Phillips Robert A S aged 5 W.Derby 8b 830
Births Mar 1915
Phillips Lilian G Eldrett W.Derby 8b 655
Deaths Sep 1915
Phillips Lilian G aged 0 W. Derby 8b 450
Births Mar 1916
Phillips Olive M Eldrett W. Derby 8b 645
Deaths Dec 1918
Phillips Olive M aged 2 W.Derby 8b 815
Births Mar 1918
Phillips Thomas W G Eldrett W. Derby 8b 567

So it looks like Ruth and her son Robert and daughter Olive all died in Dec qtr 1918.....how sad is that?!

Thank you Barbara.

Possible death of Ruth?

Deaths Dec 1918
Phillips Ruth aged 32 W.Derby 8b 795

Looks like the child that Contrary Mary mentioned on page 1 also died in this quarter

Deaths Dec 1918
Phillips Robert A S aged 5 W.Derby 8b 830

Yes it was from 1911 census. Thank you so much for all this information.

Found this on the National Archives site. If he was in the Royal Navy it might be worth seeing if this is him. The year of birth is a bit out and it refers to Brompton rather than Margate but ...

Jill


Description
Name Phillips, Sydney James
Official Number: 175412
Place of Birth: New Brompton, Kent
Date 01 May 1878
Catalogue reference ADM 188/288links to the Catalogue
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 175001-175500
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference

Number of image files: 1
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If the above birth is correct then this could be the family in the 1891 census

ame: Ruth Eldredd
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George G
Mother's Name: Fanny J
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark; Blackfreds Rd

Civil parish: Wimbledon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Wimbledon
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George G Eldredd 33 b Gt Sandford Essex occ Engine Driver
Fanny J Eldredd 33 b Maidstone Kent
Thomas W G Eldredd 7 b Gt Sandford Essex
Ruth Eldredd 5 b Blackfriars Rd Southwark
Ethel Eldredd 2/12 b Mitcham Surrey

I can't thank you all enough.

for info

1911 census transcription details for: 28 Easby Road Kirkdale Liverpool

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22465 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED22 SN281


Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Kirkdale
Parish: Kirkdale Enum. District: 22

Address: 28 Easby Road Kirkdale Liverpool
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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PHILLIP, Sidney Head Married M 31 1880 Marine A B Kent Margate

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PHILLIP, Ruth Wife Married 1 years F 24 1887 London Streatham

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PHILLIP, Ruth Selina Daughter F 0 1911 London Southwark

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Possible baptism

Name: Ruth Eldrett
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 17 Jun 1886
Father's Name: George Grey Eldrett occ Stoker
Mother's Name: Fanny Jane Eldrett
Address; 7 Cross St
Parish: Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Also baptised on the same day was Thomas Walter Gillson Eldrett with same parents.

How do you know she was born in Streatham in 1887? Is it from the 1911 census?

Croydon looks promising. Thank you.

Other children?

Robert A S Phillips mmn Eldrett 1913

Lilian G b1915 - d1915

Both in West Derby area

Mary

Ruth's birth ???

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Eldrett Ruth St.Saviour 1d 7 Scan available - click to view