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Hello again, I hope everyone's had a nice Bank Holiday :)

I think Castle Martin is a bit too far away to mesh well with his place of birth - about 20 miles. Plus it's not in the Haverfordwest area either - but I shall keep an open mind! ...and the same for his age!!

Basically, there are no William Stephens born at that time living in the right area later. So I'm going to have a look over in the Glamorgan area again, where he lived later in life, to see if his father moved them over that way for the mining when he was young....maybe I'll get lucky with it this time! Might have missed something before..

Thanks everyone for all the help! :)

OK, one last offer before I shut down completely:

- there is a child William, son of Thomas, living in Stackpole Elidor in 1841, age 10. He is likely to be the labourer still living in Stackpole Elidor in 1851, who states that he is born in Castlemartin - however, Stackpole Elidor is in Castlemartin hundred - and might it be possible to mix up the handwritten version of Elidor and Crinow?

1841:
Name: William Stephens
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Stackpole Elidor
Hundred: Castlemartin
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pembroke
Sub-registration district: Pembroke
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Thomas Stephens 30
Ann Stephens 25
William Stephens 10
Sarah Stephens 3
Richard Stephens 1
Mary Stephens 2 Mo

1851:
Name: William Stephens
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Castlemartin, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Stackpole Elidor
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pembroke
Sub-registration district: Tenby
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Eynon 47
Catherine Eynon 46
William Eynon 3
Margaret Armond 76
William Stephens 20
Thomas Morgan 12

Yes, I shall need to turn in soon too ...

are you going to carry on for a bit longer Sylvia?

I've been squinting at the age on the 1861 census (Farmer's servant). The supervisor's check mark is over the age, which complicates the second digit. However, the enumerator does have a very distinctive method of writing 8 (practically on its side), so that it is distinguishable from a 3. While I was doing this, I suddenly realised that what I had thought was a first digit 3 with a supervisor's mark actually looks much more like this enumerator's 2. So perhaps he is not quite so old after all?

Edit: so, as Clare suggested, since the second digit looks like a 3, he might even be as young as 23?

I did see that William in 1851, b. in Cants, and wondered


It is Cants on the image, so not a mistranscription of something else (my first thought!!).


and that William was an Ag Lab, which fits in with the 1861 (Farmers Servant)




I really don't like Welsh searches!!!



.................... OH is half Welsh! Roberts, Hughes, Morton, Jones etc etc





sylvia

I'm trying to think of anywhere the enumerator might have mistaken Crinow for..esp as William was a Welsh speaker so I assume he would have called it Crynwedd.

I'm going to have to call it a night now, I have an early start...despite the bank holiday! Thanks for all your help and I'll have another crack at finding him tomorrow evening. :)

Marloes is right on the West Coast of Pembrokeshire. So about 20-25 miles from Narberth.

Edit: Yes, I think it would be more likely that it's different William..a bit too far out maybe.

Marloes is some way off, on the west coast, and north of Milford Haven...

Hmm, could be the enumerator's mistranscription. So this chap is a possible? If so, he is 21 and could have wandered away from his place of birth. Where is Marloes?

I've seen that William before I think.

I've never heard of Cants though, and I can't think of anything that it could be short for. Google maps is giving me two options (the search was giving me results for missing cats...):
The Cants, Saundersfoot, Dyfed
Cants Cottage, Camrose Farm, Camrose, Haverfordwest, Dyfed

Saundersfoot is a bit too far away to be him. Camrose is on the other side of Haverfordwest from Narberth - but still has a Haverfordwest address so is a possibility. But I wish I could be sure of what they meant by Cants.

Yes, I think he's probably older than I originally thought.

I can only get two marriages for William Stephens in Narberth though, one to the Frances and the 1851 marriage above.

I did think that the 1823 bit might have been his employer getting it wrong, also I figured that a 3 is very similar to an 8 so it would be easy for either to look like the other.

There is this chap in 1851 who is not easily matched to 1861:

Name: William Stephens
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Cants, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Marloes
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Haverfordwest
Sub-registration district: Milford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Scale 25
Ann Scale 28
Margaret Scale 23
James Jones 60
Thomas Evans 22
William Stephens 23
John Griffiths 17
Ann Griffiths 25
Sarah Hawes 20

Oh dear, I was hoping I was getting somewhere.

Another possible marriage in 1851?

Marriages Mar 1851
Stephens William Narberth 26 839

Thanks for the help :)

So we should pick up Sylvia's comment about his age - although he had fixed on being 10 years older than Susannah for most of his married life, he is quite a bit older in 1861 - a birth year of 1823

Yes, prob can eliminate - here they are in 1871 too:

Name: William Stephens
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanddewi Velfrey
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Narberth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephens 48
Frances Stephens 49
James Stephens 15
Enna Stephens 13
Margret Stephens 10
Catherine Stephens 7
William Stephens 5
John Thomas 17

SNAP

That's strange, I thought I'd just found Frances' death. I can't see them in 1861.

Edit - yes you're right that's them, I guess it's just a coincidence then.

And 1871...definately not my William then..
1871 Wales Census about William Stephens
Name: William Stephens
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanddewi Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanddewi Velfrey
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Narberth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephens 48
Frances Stephens 49
James Stephens 15
Enna Stephens 13
Margret Stephens 10
Catherine Stephens 7
William Stephens 5
John Thomas 17

Oh, hang on, if Frances died are we talking about the same couple?

Name: William Stephens
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Landewy, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Llanddewi Velfrey
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Narberth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephens 41
Frances Stephens 39
Phoebe Stephen 12
Mary Stephen 10
Ann Stephen 8
James Stephen 6
Emma Stephen 3
Margeret Stephen 5 Mo

Thanks anyway Ivy, it's useful to know for the future :)

The William and Frances couple are also seen on 1861 - William then says he is b 1820, same place (so distinct from the farm servant, unless he had scarpered and the wife put him down on the form anyway)

Hi Clare, yes, having now seen that Crinow is dwarfed by Narberth and that Monkton is really a suburb of Pembroke, my comments above are not useful for this chap.

This is the one I was thinking of. Landewi Velfry was apparently often lumped in with Crinow. But maybe a bit old?

1851 Wales Census about William Stephens
Name: William Stephens
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Llandewy, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llandewy Velfrey
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Narberth
Sub-registration district: Llanboidy
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephens 28
Frances Stephens 30
Elizabeth Stephens 5
Phoebe Stephens 2
Mary Stephens 4 Mo

Marriage:
Marriages Dec 1845
STEPHENS William Narberth 26 1002

Frances died in 1859!
Deaths Dec 1859
Stephens Frances Narberth 11a 385

Now to find the kiddies in 1861..