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I am now trying to find information for JAMES TAYLOR. Grandfather of Charles. Born C1797, and married to Elizabeth.

Thanks in advance.

TAYLOR, Charles Head Married M 39 1872 Milk Carrier London Islington
TAYLOR, Catherine Wife Married
9 years F 33 1878 Liverpool
TAYLOR, Florence Daughter F 9 1902 London Manor PK
TAYLOR, Charles H Son M 7 1904 London Manor Park
TAYLOR, Alfred Son M 5 1906 London Islington
TAYLOR, Wlater Son M 3 1908 London Westminster
TAYLOR, Alexander Son M 1 1910 London Chelsea
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
828 Reference:
RG14PN828 RG78PN29 RD10 SD3 ED8 SN419

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Tollington EnumerationDistrict:
8 Parish:
Islington

Address:
30 Bracy Street Tollington Park London NO County:
London


Marriages Jun 1901
HAYES Catherine Islington 1b 429
TAYLOR Charles Islington 1b 429


So that nobody goes searching for the 1911 census, I have reposted it here, thanks to a kind member that searched it for me. Why the children are listed as being born all over the place, I have no idea.
Would also like to add, the birth year for Charles in the 1911 census should read 1882, not 1872.

he says he was born in 1871 on the parish register of his marriage


from ancestry


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charles Taylor
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Catherine Hayes
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 May 1901
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Taylor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hayes


from image:-
Charles
Age 30
Bachelor
Occupation:- Milk Carrier
Address:- 138 Elthorne Rd

Father's occupation:- (deceased) Tailor


Catherine

Age:- 26
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 6 Mulkern (???) Rd

Father's occupation:- Sawyer


Witnesses:- Thomas Banberry (??sp) and Florence Taylor



sylvia

Looks as if Alfreds middle name was Arthur

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Taylor Alfred Arthur Islington 1b 187
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Where has the name Albert come from cos i can't see him on the 1911 that you posted

I have had another look through the census, and 1881 gives a Charles Taylor married to Ellen, born in Bethnal Green. 1861 census confirms this, but there is no 1871 census to check on.

I have a problem


The 1911 Census that you show has Charles' birth year as ca 1872

The information on the parish register for his wedding shows him as age 30 in 1901 ..... which translates to a birth year of 1872


You say he was born in 1882.

The 1891 Census shows a Charles Taylor with wife Ellen, and a son age 9 this born ca 1882.


These two facts counter one another


Why on earth would he lie on his marriage and on the 1911 census??


OK, so he could have added 10 years to his age because Catherine was aged 26 ............ but in my experience, people who do that, slowly lose the extra years as they progress!



are we in fact dealing with more than one Charles Taylor???????????????




sylvia

Look at the name of his father on the parish register for his wedding!!!!


It says father was JOHN



But he is apparently deceased by 1901





sylvia

OK, digesting this information, and apologies...have been tracing census' to try and find names.

Sylvia, I think you are correct in 1872 being his birth year.

I stuffed up badly a while ago on another branch putting a relative in, that turned out to be same name age and birth place, but the wrong relative. I am starting to wonder if the elderly relatives I sourced information from have also got it mixed up.

Please help me straighten this out, and perhaps finding the ancestors might become a bit easier.

I can't get any further with finding Charles b. 1872, father John though!



Taylors are very difficult .................. one branch of OH's family is Taylor, but htey're all from the Yorkshire/Westmorland area.





sylvia

Julie, the reason I wanted to confirm either way Albert and Alfred is because 4 or more children hadn't been born at the time of the 1911 census. I do believe that there were 9 children in total, including Peter, so no room for the other two, and that they may well have been middle names. All of the siblings in that family had pet names I found out, and even now I am trying to sift through the sisters and their children, as they keep using pet names mixed with real names.

OK, let's see what we have confirmed.
Charles must have been born in 1871/2, as per the marriage record.
His wife is correct, and from living relatives, can confirm Catherine as his wife, her birthplace, and death place and date.
So the parish registry SylviaC is correct, and we can use that as our reference point.
The fact I have discovered his father's name as John and NOT Charles is a big plus, and explains why nothing has matched up.

I wonder??????????????????


1891 Census

Name: Charles Taylor
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway

John Taylor 69 b.ca 1822, Bishopsgate, London, Tailor
Eliza Taylor 59 b.ca 1832, Hackney, London
Louisa Taylor 41 b.ca 1841, Islington, Daughter, Laundress <<<<<<< ??????? It could be 21 on the image, there is a large black mark cutting through the age.
Charles Taylor 19 Grocer's Assistant
Florence Taylor 17 b.ca 1874, Islington, Daughter, Laundress
Ellen Taylor 14 b.ca 1877, Islington, Daughter, Scholar

Address:- 36 Brunswick Road





sylvia

The 1861 census has a John Taylor married to Emily, daughter Emily and Fanny, sons Charles, Frederick,and Alfred.

1 Granby st. Bethnal Green

But I like the look of yours much better SylviaC!!!

Louisa must have been born C1850 if she was 41, or 1870 if she was 21.

I think that Florence was a witness to Charles' wedding, it's looking very favourable that SylviaC has found the correct data.
Still a lot to find, but an awful lot of data discovered.
I hope more can be found.

Baptisms

The birth date for some of them is written in the amrgin


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charles Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1877
Father's Name: John William Taylor
Mother's Name: Eliza Taylor
Parish: St Peter, Dartmouth Park Hill
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

Born:- Sept 13 1871 (I think I have read the month correct)

Father's occupation:- Tailor
Address:- 20 Brunswick Road


The church has apparently also been called St John the Evangelist so there are duplicate records!!

Charles Taylor Baptism 26 Mar 1877 John William Taylor,Eliza Taylor St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway Islington


Name: Ellen Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1877
Father's Name: John William Taylor
Mother's Name: Eliza Taylor
Parish: St Peter, Dartmouth Park Hill
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

No birth date given

Ellen Taylor Baptism 26 Mar 1877 John William Taylor,Eliza Taylor St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway Islington


Name: Florence Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1877
Father's Name: John William Taylor
Mother's Name: Eliza Taylor
Parish: St Peter, Dartmouth Park Hill
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

Birth date:- Oct 13 1873


Florence Taylor Baptism 26 Mar 1877 John William Taylor,Eliza Taylor St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway Islington



Name: Louisa Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Mar 1877
Father's Name: John William Taylor
Mother's Name: Eliza Taylor
Parish: St Peter, Dartmouth Park Hill
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

Birth date:- Jan 27 1869


Louisa Taylor Baptism 26 Mar 1877 John William Taylor,Eliza Taylor St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway Islington




sylvia

I really think that Louisa was 21 on that census not 41!



I must go to bed!


I'll see what else has been found tomorrow




sylvia

?????????????


1881 Census

Name: John Taylor
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishopgate, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Flowers Mews
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East

John Taylor 60
Eliza Taylor 49
Eliza Taylor 27
Frederick Taylor 21
Anne Taylor 19
Emily Taylor 17
Francis Taylor 15
Louisa Taylor 11
Charles Taylor 9
Florence Taylor 7
Helen Taylor 4 <<<<< or Ellen




syvia

1871????????????


1871 Census

Name: John Taylor
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Islington St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West

John Taylor 49 Tailor
Eliza Taylor 39
Eliza Taylor 17
Henry Taylor 13
Fredrick Taylor 11
Annie Taylor 9
Emily Taylor 7
Francis Taylor 5
Alfred Taylor 3
Louisa Taylor 1



1861 Census

Name: John Taylor
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East

John Taylor 40 Tailor
Eliza Taylor 29
Eliza Taylor 7
Henny Taylor 3
Frederick Taylor 1



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