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Hey Pat,

You have asked me to look at this and i figured it would be easier on this thread than mine.

Births Jun 1886 ANSTY Arthur Thomas Hereford 6a [56]23
Births Mar 1888 ANSTY William Abergavenny 11a 45
Births Sep 1890 Ansty George Henry Abergavenny 11a 5
Births Jun 1893 Ansty Clara Ann Abergavenny 11a 51
Births Dec 1894 Ansty Alice Ellen L Abergavenny 11a 48

The children's deaths?

Deaths Jun 1893 Ansty Clara Ann 0 Abergavenny 11a 32
Deaths Mar 1897 Anstey Arthur 11 Abergavenny 11a 39

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I cannot find a birth for Edward/Edwin??

Possible?

Births Dec 1897
Jones Edward Wilfrid Abergavenny 11a 40

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Did 'Louisa' get confused because Thomas has died before the birth of the baby and registered it in her maiden name? I cannot find an Edward Anst(e)y birth.

They state on the 1911 census that they have been married 9 years, that is clearly a lie as 'Louisa' is using John's name in 1901, so thats at least 10 years?

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Have we dismissed this one for Leonard?

Births Jun 1902 Miles James Leonard Cleobury M. 6a 610

(The district Cleobury M. is an alternative name for Cleobury Mortimer and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire)

Abergavenny to the Cleobury district is quite close (50 miles or so) could 'Louisa' have had problems and had to have the child at a hospital in that reg district?

Just a few thoughts


Tracey x

nobody, i have tried through various web sites but no luck.
I wondering whether she was actually married to john miles.

I will have to see if there is a copy of thomas anstey mariaige certificate in abergavenny to louisa. still have not found anything on leonard miles.

i have found a Annie louise jones baptist in raglan 1862, i believe this was her maiden name, mother mary eliza father john malster. I still cannot find birth, any marriage or death. but i do think she was born around 1862 has it states in the 1891 census because of her children age.
Has anyone found the marriage of louise or annie louise to thomas ansty or john miles?

I have tried looking for a marriage certificate for Louisa and John under miles and anstey and jones but no luck, i wondering now if they were every marrried. Anybody had any luck on that? I have found a John Miles that was born in monmouth in 1902, i am going tolook this up today at the registras to see, you never know?

Thank looks like the family in 1891 Lulubelle - well done!

The downside is that we now have 3 different birth years for Louisa - 1862, 1865 and 1870!! She is consistent about the place of her birth though.

I have tried looking for just Leonard with no surname for his birth, tried variations of Anstey and Miles too and nothing!

Thank you I think this is correct, but i still cant find it in the 1891 cenus?. The spelling is different. Prehaps the spelling is wrong on Leonards birth records. He was born has leonard Miles on 1911 cenus, any suggestions what the spelling mistake could be?

How about this for 1891?

Name: Louisa Enstey
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llanfoist
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanfoist
Town: Llanfoist Lower
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Abergavenny
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Enstey 34
Louisa Enstey 29
Arthur Enstey 5
Willie Enstey 3
George Enstey 8/12

Trust her maiden name to be jones! I have had alook at the info for 1911 cenus but came back with nothing. Very fustrating. I know leonards wear about fro 9 yrs old but nothing before.

It would be almost impossible Pat. In 1911 it says born 1870 but in 1901 it says born 1865. There are far too many Louisa Jones born in Monmouth to hazzard a guess.

has anyone found a louisa jones born in raglan nr abergavenny monmouthshire, 1870 i believe she may have been the mother of leonard miles?

THANK I WILL TAKE A LOOK

Perhaps it would be worth finding these Leonards on the 1911 census to check whether they all existed under that name or not?

Births Sep 1902
Bevan Leonard Thomas Abergavenny 11a 41
Davies Leonard Abergavenny 11a 51

Births Dec 1902
GREENWAY Leonard George Abergavenny 11a 48
Watkins Leonard Edward Abergavenny 11a 49

It's making it even more difficult because, although William ages 10 years from 1901 to 1911, John and Louisa only age 4 years. Perhaps neither of them knew for sure where/when they were born for some reason?

I HAVE HAD A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL UNDER THE NAME JONES AND MILES. I HAVE FOUND A THOMAS HENRY MILES BORN IN ABERGAVENNY IN 1902. A JOHN MILES BORN IN MONMOUTH THATS THE CLOSEST I HAVE GOT. DO YOU THINK HE WAS THE SON OF EITHER OF THEM, BECAUSE YEARS AGO THEY USED TO JUST TAKE CHILDREN IN I THINK?

I don't understand why we are not finding him either! Unless of course he changed his first name as well as changing from Miles to Anstey!

I am not finding any of them on the 1891 census and I haven't looked for George in 1901.

I was at the registra office when the women told me the parents of Alice, being louisa and thomas. I could not find any ansteys in the 1891 cenus. one of children would have been born then william 1888 and prehaps George1891. George was not on the 1901 but on the 1911 cenus. I still dont know about leonard who is the main one I am looking for, he his my grandfather so i dont want to go down the wrong tree, i cantunderstand why i cant find him, any suggestions?

On original 1911 it says children to present marriage 7 5 alive 2 died?
But on saying that it also says married 9 years.

I tend to think 1911 census are supposed to be accurate as they are filled by the occupiers themselves,in this case John Miles.

Thats if they tell the truth!!

Maryb

Has anybody found them in 1891?

Pat, do you have Alice's birth certificate please? When you say you were told that her mother was Louise and father Thomas is this word of mouth information please?


These are the only births that I can see around the correct time and the area is wrong - so perhaps she was not registered as Anstey?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Anstey Alice Louisa Chipping S. 6a 195

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Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Anstey Alice Maud M Bridgwater 5c 335


Sorry - in case you wonder where all this is going, I think you need to know what Louise's name was to find a birth for Leonard!




EDIT

Sorry - this looks like her birth.

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Ansty Alice Ellen L Abergavenny 11a 48

I am not sure, I have only found his army records. he joined the army inn 1916, he lived in tudor street abergavenny, according to the 1911 cenus he was born in abergavenny, but that doesnt mean he could have been registered in chepstow?

leonard died in the name of anstey aug 1956 aged 54yrs, and as far as i know he didnt have a middlename