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Frank McRae b 1878, Essex

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Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 18:29

Yes this is the family. Family thought that he might have been born Chingford.

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 18:31

Yes this is Emily's marriage. Frank lived with them until his own marriage later in 1901

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 18:32

Sorry, no cannot find anything before 1891

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 16 May 2010 18:41

Just putting in Frank 1878 Chingford Essex came up with this.....although if or how to connect I wouldn't know: None for this name and yob & Chingford showing in 1891, 1901 or 1911.

1881 census transcription details for: Kings Head Hill, Chingford
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 1736 Folio: 94 Page: 15

Reg. District: Epping Sub District: Chigwell
Parish: Chingford Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Kings Head Hill, Chingford
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
MAIN, Annie Sarah Head Widow F 56 1825 Midwife
Lynn
Norfolk
PONDER, Frances Daughter Married F 32 1849
Enfield
Middlesex
MAIN, Agnes Daughter Single F 28 1853
Chingford
Essex
PONDER, Thomas H Grand Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Chingford
Essex
MAIN, Florence A Boarder Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Wisbeach
Cambridgeshire
>>>>>>>>>>HAWKINS, Frank Boarder Single M 3 1878
Chingford
Essex
RADCLIFFE, Evelyn M Boarder Single F 0 1881
Islington
Middlesex
BAILEY, Henry John Lodger Married M 24 1857 Shoeing Smith B
Somerset

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 18:55

any ideas please on how I would follow up on Frank Hawkins? Like your idea about the first name being retained and only the surname changed. Is Kings Head Hill a house or institution as I note Annie Main is a midwife?

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 16 May 2010 18:56

I have put the same details ie Frank Hawkins etc in all the following census' but there not any results showing

Perhaps this is his birth? Does the name Dakin mean anything?

Births Jun 1878
Hawkins Frank Dakin Epping 4a 165

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 19:09

Trying to think of possible connection between this Frank and Henderson or Emily. Certainly would not discount this young man. Any ideas about the premises please?

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 19:11

Sorry Dakin doesn't mean anything to me.

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 21:13

Have read through all my notes and cannot find a connection as yet so will send off for the birth cert you suggest. Who knows? Many thanks for all your help.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 16 May 2010 21:16

Keep us updated please Barbara and if its a no no we will just have to put our thinking caps on again

Best Wishes
MB!

Barbara

Barbara Report 16 May 2010 21:19

thank you

Barbara

Barbara Report 22 May 2010 16:02

Hi, b cert arrived today and feel confident you've found him. Fantastic. Thank you. Frank Dakin Hawkins b 6 - 3 1878..same month as my grandfather Frank McRae. Parents John Dakin Hawkins and Amelia Hawkins formerly Jahn. Could I bother you again please as I cannot find a birth for Amelia or marriage so cannot find her relationship to Emily Julia who brought Frank up. Any advice please? Thank you

Barbara

Barbara Report 22 May 2010 16:16

Hi, b cert arrived today and feel confident you've found him. Fantastic. Thank you. Frank Dakin Hawkins b 6 - 3 1878..same month as my grandfather Frank McRae. Parents John Dakin Hawkins and Amelia Hawkins formerly Jahn. Could I bother you again please as I cannot find a birth for Amelia or marriage so cannot find her relationship to Emily Julia who brought Frank up. Any advice please? Thank you

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 May 2010 16:33

Good news Barbara! Will start looking now!

MB

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 May 2010 16:34

Do you suppose that Emily could be Amelia ?

Barbara

Barbara Report 22 May 2010 16:40

Have considered that as cannot find an Amelia Jahn on Family Search or Freebmd but her entry on 1911 Census indicates she had not had any children and in 1881 Census she was living with her parents and family. Cannot find any record of Emily marrying Henderson McRae or of Amelia marrying John Hawkins

Barbara

Barbara Report 22 May 2010 17:12

Sorry to be rude but have to sign off for tonight but will be back tomorrow. thank you

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 May 2010 17:14

See you tomorrow!

Barbara

Barbara Report 23 May 2010 12:09

Sorry visitors sleeping in computer room limiting access for next few days! Have found an Amelia Hawkins (24) d DecQ 1883 Pancras and Amelia Hawkins (0) d DecQ Islington1882 and another d DecQ 1883 Romford, should I send for all three certs? But if Amelia (24) only d 1883 why was Frank a boarder in 1881 Census? If Amelia wre Emily's cousin, Emily's father Frederick Jahn only arrived in UK from Prussia in about 1844 and I don't know if he had any brothers who came at the same time. Just thought this might be relevant.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 23 May 2010 12:32

What was John Daykin Hawkins occupation on the birthcertificate?
Having trouble finding either of the parents of Frank Daykin Hawkins!