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oh thank you so much everyone...been off the site for a while so this was all a lovely suprise xx

Other children of Thomas and Florence

Charles, b. 1919

Thomas b.1921

Lily b.1923

all above born Hulme, registered Chorlton

4 more with same surnames registered Manchester South between 1925 and 1933 could possibly be Thomas and Florence's children

If the Edward King - Jane Blackmore marriage is correct looks like she died in 1902 then Edward married a Beatrice Sykes in 1907 - they are together on the 1911 census with Edward & Jane's children

1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JF-DGC
[so FS/FMP give Jane's age as 37
NB 1901 resident in (Manchester) Central subdistrict]

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1891 KING Thomas Salford Greengate Salford GRE/157/9
1893 KING James E Central Archives+, Manchester Central Library BLACKMORE CEN/27/32
1895 KING Annie Central Archives+, Manchester Central Library BLACKMORE CEN/32/4
1897 KING Edward Central Archives+, Manchester Central Library BLACKMORE CEN/36/37
1899 KING Elizabeth Central Archives+, Manchester Central Library BLACKMORE CEN/40/90

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KING Edward BLACKMORE Jane Salford Sacred Trinity Salford C24/2/325


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
KING Thomas BELL Florence Elizabeth Hulme, St. Stephen Manchester 72/5/82

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM1S-1ZS
[Flo was d/o William]
A search at http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2962 will get this m.cert
Unfortunately, they only go to 1882 (ref C24/1/500) for Salford Sacred Trinity.
(Ref C24/1/500 is the last entry in the 1st register for that church, and we need ref C24/2/325 i.e., entry 325 in the 2nd rego - anyways, to go back further, I think you'll need to purchase this m.cert.)


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If you found out (from Thos's pension record or maybe his medal card) exactly which battalion Thos served in, then even though you can't find what Thos was doing day by day, you can find that out for his unit via its war diary.
The Liverpool Regt had many bn's, each with difft war-time service - see:
http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/kings-liverpool-regiment/

Many local libraries have an Ancestry sub - my municipality does, as do 3 of the 4 neighbouring municipalities,
To access war diaries - go to:
Ancestry - Card Catalogue
keyword = war diaries
click on france & belgium (rarely Gallipoli)
then unit = king's (Liverpool) Regiment
subunit = 2/5th battalion - (or whatever unit)

My library limits computer access to two 1 hr sessions per day.
I found I could download 90p per hr (if I didn't read them).
Just before I get timed out, I email stuff to myself so I can read them at home.
The following two tips are useful.
1) Go to start button - my documents - download (or wherever it puts them) then highlight a block of 20 (or so) pages, then right-click - send to - A compressed (zipped) folder.
Put all the images into zipped folders - I limit the size of each zipped folder to 15MB - then I email each folder to myself in a seperate email.
(It's a lot easier to send 4-5 attachments than 90)
2) Go to start button - all programs - accessories - then double click on notepad
(it's a primitive word processor)
I copy and paste notes, Ancestry transcriptions, etc., into this document.
The first time, I pick - File - Save As (and name the document as Notes=2016-03-11.txt or whatever).
After each subsequent entry, I click on -File - Save. I email this file to myself too.

here is that record that Elizabeth posted .......... it is under the Pension Records

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Thomas King
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1891
Marriage Date: 5 Nov 1910
Marriage Place: St Stephens, Hulme
Age: 24
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 51 Wood St Hulme Manchester
Regimental Number: 738282
Regiment Name: The King's (Liverpool) Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 16
Other Records: Search for 'Thomas King' in other WWI collections

Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Thomas King Self (Head)
Florence Bell Spouse
William Edward King Child
Florence King Child


from image:-

Occupation:- Carter

William Edward King b. 17-03-1911
Florence King b. 23-08-1913
May King b. 12-05-1916

Wounded Gun Shot Wound Head 19-07-17
Rejoined Battalion 09-08-1917
Sent to Rest Camp 08-10-1917
Moved to Field Hospital 11-10-1917 ----- Bronchitis
Transferred to England

Discharged as Unfit for Service 22-03-1918
Reason - Bronchitis

Awarded a small pension until 1920


He was awarded the Victory and War Medals

Ancestry has Thomas King , wife Florence, children William Edward and Florence.
Married St Stephen's Hulme. on 5th Nov 1910.
Joined up with the King's Liverpool Regiment . Aged 24yrs 9mths
Discharged 29-4-18 after receiving a gun shot wound to the head in France
Service No;- 738282

thank you for your reply...will look on websites suggested xxxx

I've had a quick look on ancestry, and don't see anything.

Edward of course is probably too old to have served in WW1

war records are on ancestry and FindMyPast .............. both subscription sites.

Only about 30% of WW1 records for servicemen survived WW2, due to bomb and fire damage. Many of the surviving records are badly damaged, and may only consists ot 1 or 2 pages.

So one is very lucky if one does find anything at all.

hi can anyone tell me where i can start to find war records for edward and thomas king please
edward born salford sept 1867
thomas born salford 1891

hi, can anyone find me any war records for edward king born sept 1867

thank you michael i should be able to collect a good few certs from all this info x mgt

Going off the record that Ann found (birthplace Salford, age 0 in 1891) I would say this looks likely

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Births Jun 1891
King Thomas - Salford 8d 102

I also notice he was 22 in 1910 but only 20 in 1911

many thanks to you to seaham lass x mgt

Possible marriage............
Edward King to Jane Blackmore in 1890 in Salford

thank you ann , that is some very interesting info you have found for me , i am very grateful to you and everyone else tonight. many thanks again x mgt

On the 1901 census Edward's occupation is Carter for Carrier Carman.......

1901 ?
Name: Thomas King
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Edward King 34
Jane King 57 EDITED (image looks like 37)
Thomas King 10
James King 8
Annie King 6
Edward King 4
Elizabeth King 2

Searching on Thomas King 1888 5+/- father Edward Lancashire, there is one result.


census - household transcription
Person: KING, Thomas
Address: 6, Robert Street, Salford

Cost:
You will be charged 5 credits for a transcript and 5 credits for an image, unless you have purchased a subscription for this set of records.


census search results 1891 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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KING, Edward Head Married M 24 1867 Carter
Hulme
Lancashire VIEW
KING, Jane Wife Married F 28 1863
Birkenhead
Cheshire VIEW
KING, Thomas Son Single M 0 (5D) 1891
Salford
Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3216 Folio:
124 Page:
18

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Greengate Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephens

Civil Parish:
Salford Municipal Borough:
Salford Address:
6, Robert Street, Salford County:
Lancashire



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Margaret,

I would try and find the birth cert for Thomas, the information on the marriage is only what he gave to the registrar. I have come across many that will say they have a father named "john Doe" when in fact they were illegitimate.

I noticed the 1911 result for Thomas & Florence I posted is also a little out on age they should be older, I also checked the address on the 1910 marriage........no family there. Will take a look at the 1891 for you.

Ann