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My granddad was Edward Dempsey - born 1882 in Borrif Road Maryboro. His father was Richard and mother Margaret Brophey.
He had 10 siblings Mary 1883; Thomas 1885; John 1886; Sarah 1887; Christie 1888; Julia 1890; Joseph 1892; Patrick 1894; Richard 1895 & John 1896.
Edward moved to England (date unknown) He served in the British army until 1904 & again from 1915 - 1919. He was twice wounded and taken prisoner. He married Catherine Ryan in Bradford Yorkshire. He died in 1954.
I have been unable to get any information about his parents and siblings except that which I have listed. I would be very grateful for any information concerning Richard Dempsey and Margaret Brophey's lives and families.
Can anyone help me please?
Many thanks Jimbo659

wheres Maryboro?? please

is it Maryborough Cork ireland??

Could this be them?
Address says Quality Row Borris Maryboro Queens County


Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Dempsey Richard 64 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Queens County General Labourer Cannot read or write - Married - 29 13 9
Dempsey Margret 54 Female Wife Roman Catholic Queens County - Cannot read or write - Married - 29 13 9
Dempsey Joseph 14 Male Son Roman Catholic Queens County Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Dempsey Richard 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Queens County Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -

maryborough - as fgar as I know - is in Queens County (Loais)

Hi Lulabelle,
this as a possibility although there seems to be some discrepancy in the ages of Richard & Joseph.
Borris road may be the one - the birth certificate I have for my grandfather says 'Borrif' but this may just be old fashioned writing.
I have some information from the baptism records of Portlaoise parish church showing baptismal dates for all the children I listed in my original query and I assumed that they were all baptised the year they were born - but this could be wrong I suppose.

Thanks for your help and I would be very grateful if you have anything further which may help me.

I can't get over to Ireland to carry out my own check as I am getting on a bit and don't move very well so all help is very gratefully received.

regards
Jimbo

Hi Jimbo,

I found this possible death for Joseph born 1892. Maybe they then had another son in 1896 and also called him Joseph. That could be the one on the census.

Regards, Lou

Name: Joseph Dempsey
Registration District: Mountmellick
Event Type: DEATHS
Registration Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1895
Estimated Birth Year: 1892
Age (at Death): 3
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101598
Volume Number: 3
Page Number: 294
Digital Folder Number: 4200680
Image Number: 00409
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Have you got this

1911 34,Jermyn Street bradford
Edward dempsey 1880 Ireland a Box Minder
Catherine 1883 bradford
Edward 1906
Catherine 1907
Patrick 1909
mary 1911 all born Bradford
Patrick Ryan 1844 ireladn (Catherines dad)
Emma Ryan 1888 Bradford sister to Catherine.

Maryb

Is this Edward in 1911 with his family..If it is then I have found his army record which gives his birthplace as Mountmellick.

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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DEMPSEY, Edward Head M 31 1880 Box Minder Ireland Queens Cy Moinstmellick VIEW
DEMPSEY, Catherine Wife Married
5 years F 27 1884 House Keeper Yorkshire Bradford VIEW
DEMPSEY, Edward Son M 5 1906 Yorks Bradford VIEW
DEMPSEY, Catherine Daughter F 4 1907 Yorks Bradford VIEW
DEMPSEY, Patrick Son M 2 1909 Yorks Bradford VIEW
DEMPSEY, Mary Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Yorks Bradford VIEW
RYAN, Patrick Father In Law Married
12 years M 67 1844 Finisher Kings Co Tullamore VIEW
RYAN, Emma Sister In Law Single F 23 1888 Frame Minder Yorks Bradford VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26740 Reference:
RG14PN26740 RG78PN1540 RD498 SD2 ED21 SN150

Registration District:
Bradford Sub District:
Bradford Central Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Bradford

Address:
34 Jermyn St Bradford County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

jimbo659.. Do you have this...

British Army Pensions List...

Patrick Dempsey, 17, Maryborough (Leinster Reg.)
Father; Richard, Rockville
Mother; Margaret.
Brothers; Edward, Thomas, Chrisropher.
Joined; 1910
Discharged; 1911 (unfit)

Hi Lou,
what you have sent seems very likely to be the case. I was not aware of Joseph's death but, if he was the one I had it is quite probable that they named another child Joseph, ( They must have been running out of names!!)

Many thanls
Jim

Hi Mary,
I had some of this. Catherine 1907 waas my mother. Patrick died young (so far as I know) I didn't know that Patrick Ryan was staying with them however.

many thanks
Jim

Hi Lou,
Yes this is my Grandfathers family. It looks as though he followed his fathers footsteps. I knew that Edward was in the army before 1904 but not his father.
Many thanks

Jim

I think Patrick 1908/9 died 1938 according to a tree on Ancestry.

Maryb

Hi,
many thanks for the information on patrick dempseys army service. I had no record of ths.

I now have a few leads to follow up so I say thank you to all who have responded to my plea for help. May the sun always shine on you all.
regards
Jim

Many thanks Mary - I shall now have something to follow up at last.

My brother & I ( both in our 70's) have been trying for some years to trace our maternal side without very much success but now I have great hopes of an improvement.

Thank you all once again.

Jim

On Edwards army record it lists a Pte Jeremiah and gives his army number.
I had a look on Ancestry and found this




Name: Jeremiah Dempsey
Birth Place: Mountmellick, Queen's Co.
Residence: Mountmellick
Death Date: 19 May 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Naas
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Number: 9343
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre




I also found this on the 1911 census

DEMPSEY, Jeremiah Single ? 24 1887 Mountwellick Queens CO VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
34997 Reference:
RG14PN34997 RD641 SD22 ED5 SN9999

Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District:
5 Parish:

Address:
Ahmednagar Deccan India County:
Overseas military

Also this possible marriage for Richard and Margaret, as on the census they say married for 29 years which would fit in with this.

Richard Dempsey
Mountmellick
Marriages
Jan-Mar 1882
101254
3
455
4179387
00165

Hi Lou
many thanks for the further info.

I did not know of a Jeremiah Dempsey as one of granddads siblings but perhaps he is the 13th child.

My uncle was called Jeremiah so it seems quite possible.

The marriage date for Richard tallies with the information which I have so it seems that I am now on the right track.
Many thanks once again for all the information you have all turned up for me. I don't know where I would be if it wasn't for people such as yourself who are prepared to help us.
regards

Jim

Jim...Re Patrick Dempsey (Pension Record)
Patrick was stationed at Marybro.Barracks..(Leinster Reg H.Q.) on 1911 Census.

Thanks Eringobragh

I didn't have that info although I knew that he was in the Leinster Regt.
I have not been able to get into the records myself as Ancestry will not accept my 'pay & go' card even though there are sufficient funds on it!
It is very frustrating and I am trying to find a way around it.
Meantime many thanks to all of you who have helped me so far.
regards
Jim