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David

David Report 24 May 2010 10:07

Trying to find the family link between my father ,Abraham Lewis White, and my Mother Ada Elizabeth Ensor, married in 1932. I think they where second cousins?,The Ensor surname is somehow linked to the White Family line of Portland Dorset
My grandfather John White B1867 and Grandmother Jane White (formely White) B1869


Have found Mtr Gmother Elizabeths younger brother William Shelley born in Portland Dorset. born 1885. Now trying to locate his parents
.Any help would be much appriciated.
Regards. David White

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 10:37

the only way to do that is to get your parents marriage cert and follow each line backwards.
Name: Abraham L White
Spouse Surname: Ensor
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration county (inferred): Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 403
Find Spouse: Ada E Ensor

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 10:44

only one birth coming up .is this Mum?
Name: Ada Elizabeth Ensor
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 487

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 10:46

living in Warwickshire in 1911

ENSOR, Solman Head Married M 33 1878 Paulbuttoncutter Worickshire Birmingham VIEW
ENSOR, Elizedth Wife Married11 years F 29 1882 VIEW
ENSOR, Solman Son M 8 1903 VIEW
ENSOR, Ada Daughter F 3 1908 VIEW
ENSOR, Beatrice Daughter F 1 1910 VIEW
ENSOR, William Son M 9 1902 VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18247 Reference:
RG14PN18247 RG78PN1101 RD385 SD3 ED17 SN190

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Duddeston Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Aston

Address:
Bk 62 New John ST County:


married 11 years 5 children born 4 living 1 died

Andrew

Andrew Report 24 May 2010 10:47

Birth for Abraham for ref

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
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White Abraham Lewis Weymouth 5a 308


Andy

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 10:51

marriage
Name: Solomon Ensor
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 477
spouse Elizabeth Shelley

so married in Warwickshire living there in 1911 so cant see why Ada would be born in Hackney London

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 10:52

brother Solomon
Name: Solomon Ensor
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 316

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 11:01

1891 census
Name: Solomon Ensor
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:115 New John Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Ensor 49 no occ anotated as Cripple on census sheet
Mary Ann Ensor 48
William Ensor 19
Martha Ensor 17
Frederick Ensor 15
Solomon Ensor 14
Ada Ensor 12
Joseph Ensor 11
Albert Ensor 8
Minnie Ensor 5
Minnie Ensor 4

All born Birmingham

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2419; Folio 58; Page 27; GSU roll: 6097529.

Name: Solomon Ensor
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 408

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 May 2010 11:10

so you would need to check mums fathers name on the marriage cert to see if this is the right family

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 24 May 2010 11:11

1911 census transcription details for: 54 King St Portland
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN12365 RG78PN703 RD263 SD3 ED2 SN142

Reg. District: Weymouth Sub District: Portland
Parish: Portland Enum. District: 2
Address: 54 King St Portland
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WHITE, John Head Married
19 years M 44 1867 Stone Quarrieman Dorset Portland
WHITE, Jane L Wife Married
19 years F 41 1870 Stone Labour Dorset Portland
WHITE, Louisa J Daughter Single F 19 1892 Laundress Dorset Portland
WHITE, John W Son Single M 14 1897 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Robert D F Son Single M 12 1899 Dorset Portland
WHITE, George Son Single M 13 1898 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Albert E Son Single M 7 1904 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Fregelia M Daughter Single F 11 1900 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Allan E Son Single M 10 1901 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Abraham Son Single M 7 1904 Dorset Portland
WHITE, Harry Son Single M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Dorset Portland

David

David Report 25 May 2010 08:59

Thanks Shirley, have got parents marriage cert which shows father's names as - John White, Quarryman and - Soloman Ensor, Pearl worker. Which confirms your findings.
Still trying to find how Ada and Abraham are possible second cousin's, still trying to find the link through the previous 2nd and 3rd White family marriages.

David

David Report 25 May 2010 09:07

On target again Shirley, That is my mother, but how she was born in Hackney is another mystery. Grandad Soloman was a pearl worker (button cutter) I thought, based in B'ham. Why move to London?.

David

David Report 25 May 2010 09:22

Thanks, correct those are my relations.
Still trying to find the previous link between the White & Ensor familys.

David

David Report 25 May 2010 09:25

Thanks Andrew, that is my father.

David

David Report 25 May 2010 09:39

Correct again Shirley, Solomon 14 in 1877 was my matr Gfather he married Elisabeth (Shelley) and the Shelley's may be the link, I,m still searching.
Thank's once again. David.

David

David Report 25 May 2010 09:46

Have mothers (Ada) birth cert. and yes she was born in Hackney, 33 magaret street. The only reasonable link between B'ham and London would have been the pearl button industry. Gfather was a pearl button cutter.

Thanks for your help, David

David

David Report 7 Jun 2010 17:04

Have found Mtr Gmother Elizabeths younger brother William Shelley born in Portland Dorset. born 1885. Now trying to locate his parents
.Any help would be much appriciated.
Regards. David White

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 7 Jun 2010 17:22

With Grandparents:-


1891 England Census
about William Shelley
Name: William Shelley
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Portland, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:5 Court 16, John St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shelley 52 Pearl button maker
Angelina Shelley 50
Harry Shelley 16 Son, Brass worker
Jenny Shelley 15 daughter, Pin Maker
Nellie Shelley 9 daughter, Scholar
>>>>>>>>>>>Elizabeth Shelley 27 DAUGHTER IN LAW, WIDOW, Gen Dom Servant, born B'ham
>>>>>>>>>>>William Shelley 6 GRANDSON born Portland Dorset

All others born Birmingham



marriage of William's grandparents:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about William Shelley
Name: William Shelley
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 326
Spouse:-Angelina Hutchings

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 7 Jun 2010 17:40

Possible marriage for Elizabeth?
Marriages Dec 1884
Mitchell Elizabeth Weymouth 5a 712
Shelley William Weymouth 5a 712


possible birth & death:

Births Jun 1861
SHELLEY William Frederick Birmingham 6d 177

Deaths Sep 1890
Shelley William Frederick 29 Aston 6d 197


Irene

Irene Report 7 Jun 2010 17:50

Did you have details of Solomon's death WW1. Irene