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Yes thats got to be John Shaw Entwistle as his middle name was his grandmothers surname.
kind regards to yourself & ninjalady for your help.

did not pick up John's baptism as Ellen is down as Helen

Baptism: 5 Jun 1819 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
John Shaw Entwistle - Son of Ralph Entwistle & Helen (formerly Shaw)
Born: 20 Feb 1819
Abode: Pickupbank Pickupbank Blackburn
Baptised by: R. Blake
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 41
Source: LDS Film 0560876

that would give age 20 on 1841 making NijaLady's even more likely

There are so many Ralphs & so many Entwistle/Entwisle in Pole Lane alone that I think your Ralph probably has died. Ralph, of Ralph & Betty found 1841 & 1851, may be a cousin or some such relative.

Ozi.

Yes it does. Perhaps Ralph remarried before the 1841 cen & not died? And goingback to the 1841 census it probably is the correct family & includes Arthur the fifth son. thanks
ali

The 1841 NinjaLady found looks promising.

Address: Pole Lane

Image has eldest son as Edmund, blacksmith
Robert, ag lab
the other boys are Colliers.

don't forget that ages were rounded down for people over age 15 in 1841 so 2 people born 3 years apart would show as the same age

it was actually on GR I did a search for a Ralph in 1841which is probably the one Ozibird found

Iv`ve been told that Ellen was on the 1841 census with five of her 6 boys. And so possibly Ralph had died before then.

I think Ralph had died before 1841. I dont think its the correct family in 1841 census. Different dob,s & ages

This is probably them too.

1851 England Census about Ralph Entwistle
Name: Ralph Entwistle
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1788
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Lower Darwen, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Over Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Pole Lane

Occupation: Pensioner

Condition as to marriage: Mar

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Entwistle 63
Betty Entwistle 48 - Westminster, London

This is the only one in the Darwen area.

1841 England Census
Name: Ralph Entwistle
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Blackburn
Hundred: Blackburn (Lower Division)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Astley St

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Entwistle 50
Elizabeth Entwistle 35 - not born in county.

Not sure but it could be them. Roberts & John look to be twins but could that be Johns dob & not Roberts? Robert i have dob as 1817.

That's the trouble Ninja Lady - the name Entwistle seems to be more common than Jones

I found a Ralph b c 1792 but I can't look at the details. Can you find that one?

Not sure about this one......but I'll post it so you can eliminate it if its not right

1841 England Census
about Robert Entwisle
Name: Robert Entwisle
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Blackburn
Hundred: Blackburn (Lower Division)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen

Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Entwisle 50
Edward Entwisle 25 ...original looks like Edmund.....blacksmith
Robert Entwisle 20 ...agricultural labourer
John Entwisle 20 ...collier
Arthur Entwisle 15 ...collier
William Entwisle 13 ....collier


Three families of Entwistles just on this page alone!

Thankyou very much for your help Ann. Its great to be able to add to the family tree. Kind regards
ali

I can only do a name search, but found a Ralph, Ellen, Peter & a William all listed as living in Blackburn, Darwen - whether they are all the same household I cannot look at

the marriage for reference

Marriage: 2 Jan 1815 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ralph Entwisle - (X), Weaver bachelor of this parish
Ellen Shaw - (X), spinster of this parish
Witness: Wm. Maudsley; James Bolton
Married by Banns by: R Cardwell
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1815, Page 254, Entry 761
Source: Film 1278807

baptisms of the 3 at Darwen which gives you the names of the oter 2 (Robert & Peter)

Baptisms: 1 Apr 1816 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Edmund Entwissle - Son of Ralph Entwissle & Ellen (formerly Shaw)
Born: 9 Mar 1816
Abode: Scholes Fold Pickupbank Blackburn
Baptised by: R. Blake
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 32
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 17 Oct 1817 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Robert Entwissle - Son of Ralph Entwissle & Ellen (formerly Shaw)
Born: 20 Jul 1817
Abode: Schole's Fold Pickupbank Blackburn
Baptised by: R. Blake
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 36
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 8 May 1825 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Peter Entwisle - Son of Ralph Entwisle & Ellen (formerly Shaw)
Born: 17 Apr 1825
Abode: Pantry Over Darwen Blackburn
Baptised by: Rt. Little
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 55
Source: LDS Film 0560876

sorry do not have census access but it may help someone else to find

Whoops i made a booboo. its actually not the correct family of entwistles. I got over excited for a moment. Help is still needed please.
regards
ali

Thankyou Ninjalady. yes thats the Entwistles i was looking for .
Regards
Ali

Hi ann. She was Ellen Shaw (1792) & married Ralph Entwistle (1792?) in 1815in Blackburn. There were five sons Edmund, John Shaw & William. Edmund was the eldest & william was the youngest & i dont know who the other two were.
regards
ali

do you have names for the other sons please?

looking at lan-opc there are many Ellen Entwistles. There are baptisms at Lower Darwen for children of Ellen (formerly Fish) Ellen formerly Cooper, Ellen formerly Holden - and those were just the ones I looked at!

also remembering that ages in the 1841 were not exact as they were rounded down to the nearest 5