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Hi everyone,

am trying to help my wife find out about her grandmother Julia O'Brien born 31st July 1920 somewhere in Wales. Her mother died when Julia was about 2 years old and her father sent her to Waterford in Ireland to relatives. Unfortunately we don't know her parent's names or her relatives in Ireland. We know that she definitely had older sisters who remained in Wales, not sure about older brothers. Would there be any passenger lists from Britain to Ireland that might have her name on it? Know it's very little to go on but any help would be grateful.

Thanks,
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

This is possibly her birth;

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Julia Obrien
Name: Julia Obrien
Mother's Maiden Surname: Llewellyn
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1920
Registration district: Swansea
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 2343




Dee x

Hi Patrick,
There isnt any passenger lists from Uk to Ireland as Ireland is part of Gt Brittian so no passport needed,,,,,and most just hopped on and off like a bus.

Maybe her siblings??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Minnie O'brien
Name: Minnie O'brien
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Llewellyn
District: Swansea
County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 2257



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James O'Brien
Name: James O'Brien
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Llewellyn
District: Swansea
County: Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 2212



Dee x

OK....... got it!!! Here's the parents marrrige;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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LLEWELLYN Rosina Amy E Swansea 11a 1697
O'Brien James Swansea 11a 1697



and the mothers death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1921 (>99%)
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O'Brien Rosina A E 32 Swansea 11a 1226



So you should be able to find them on the1911 census!!!


Dee x

Patrick,

there is a locked tree on Ancestry with Rosina, it maybe worth making contact with the tree owner???

Details are;

Name: Rosana Amy Elizabeth Llewellyn
Birth: 1888 - Landore




Dee x

Thanks for the replies Dee and Kay. I reckon Dee found her, my wife thinks Swansea and the name Llewellyn rings a bell. Julia's sisters wrote to her years later and we know she went to see them in Wales once. Unfortunately the letters went missing and so Julia's daughters haven't been able to make contact with maybe their first cousins to learn more about their Welsh past. One of Julia's daughters lives close by and we'll see does the name Minnie sound familiar. I don't suppose there are any other siblings with the same parents listed anywhere? Thanks again for the help.

Patrick :-)

Just read your last reply Dee, fair play, amazing stuff. All fits into place. Will try to make contact on Ancestry and will have a look at the 1911 census.

Patrick.

Hi Patrick,

I can't see any other siblings born after 1911 (from this date it included the mothers maiden name on the birth registration), but there were possible births prior to 1911.... unfortunately there are quite a few to pick from in Swansea.


Dee x

Found them in 1911

O BRIEN, JAMES HEAD MARRIED M 23 TUBE WORKER STEEL GLAMORGAN SWANSEA
O BRIEN, ROSINA WIFE MARRIED 4 F 24 GLAMORGAN SWANSEA
O BRIEN, MAURICE STANLEY SON SINGLE M 4 GLAMORGAN SWANSEA
O BRIEN, ROSIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 GLAMORGAN SWANSEA
O BRIEN, KATIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 5 MONTHS GLAMORGAN SWANSEA

address
13 REES ROW PLASMARL LANDOR GLAM

found them under O Brien

Rosina's birth

Births Sep 1887
LLEWELLYN Rosina Amy E Swansea 11a 734

Patrick...A check of the 1881 census for Glam.and assuming the first child (Maurice ) followed trad.naming patterns there is on a few Maurice O'Briens listed ..one in particular states place of birth as the Co Waterford...
Transcribed : Morris O'Brian..b 1857 .Single lodging 26 Lamb St.Swansea..
Dont have 1891 Census to check any later details...

Maurice O'Brien marriage to Julia Shannahan Reg Swansea Dec. 1886.

This could be James and father in 1901..... note the same name as found in the 1881 census; Maurice;

1901 Wales Census
about James Obrien
Name: James Obrien
Age in 1901: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members: Name Age
Johanah Donovan 67
Michael Flynn 52
James Obrien 13
Patrick Shancehan 28
Maurice Obrien 44
Patrick Aharne 20


1891 Wales Census
about Maurice Brian
Name: Maurice Brian
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Swansea
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maurice Brian 37
Julia Brian 24 Born Ireland
James Brian 3
Thomas Brian 3/12




Looks like your wifes Grandmother may have been named after her Grandmother.


Dee x

Looks like Maurice and Julia's marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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O'Brien Maurice Swansea 11a 1120
Shanahan Julia Swansea 11a 1120


So your wifes Gran could have been sent to the Shanahan family...... I would hazard a guess that she went to Ireland to be with them rather than the O'Brien family??


Dee x

Sadly here is Julia's death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Brien Julia 25 Swansea 11a 498



There is also this death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Brien Michael John 0 Swansea 11a 499



So I wonder if the poor girl died in childbirth??



Dee x

This is a real stab in the dark with Julia's parentage..... the marriage certificate should state her fathers name;

JULIA SHANAHAN
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 06 APR 1867 , Waterford, Ireland
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS SHANAHAN Family
Mother: CATHERINE FLYNN



Dee x

Patrick...If you look at the 1901 census posted by BatmansDaughter...you will see a Patrick Shancehan also lodging at the same address with Maurice and James O'Brien...my guess its Shannahan..(mistranscribed)...a check on 1911 would show place of Birth...
A cross ref check for Whitechurch Co Waterford shows a Patrick Shannahan born to Thom.Shannahan and Catherine Flynn 1872.

Eringobragh1916............. well spotted!!! What a great find.


Dee x

Eringobragh1916 I wonder if Michael Flynn aged 52 on the 1901 census is also related???


Dee x

Michael Flynn is showing as born in Ireland and is a cousin to the head of the house Johanah Donovan (female) born in Ireland.

Dee x