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no not really I beleave he did but dont really know we were told that his mother may have been German and not a good sort apparently
Elaine

Fathers' names on marriage certs are not always to be relied on - being illegitimate was considered shameful, so fathers were sometimes invented

Do you know if Albert had any brothers or sisters?

no that was not his marriage I know when he married I even cellebrated there 50th wedding anniversary he died two years after in 1970
Elaine

yes this was his death the problem is i have no birth just know from his marriage certificate that his father was a soldier and his name was John
Elaine

And his birth

Name: Albert Edward Shaw
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Nov 1896
Baptism/Christening Place: Rawal Pindi, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 24 Oct 1896
Birthplace: Bengal, India
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Charles Shaw
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Frances Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39361-3
System Origin: India-ODM
Source Film Number: 512360
Reference Number:
Collection: India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

There's a lot more Shaws born in India if you want them.

Could this be Albert's marriage???

Groom's Name: Albert Edward Shaw
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Dorothy Beryl Master
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 03 Dec 1920
Marriage Place: Multan, Bengal, India
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Charles Shaw
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Edward Master
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75050-5
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 527923
Reference Number:
Collection: India Marriages, 1792-1948
Gael

Perhaps Albert was born overseas - with his father a serving soldier, it's entirely possible

Who witnessed Albert's marriage?

yes his Father John and himself were both in the army and Albert was my fathers dad my father was Frederick John Rapson Shaw born in India in 1923

I know my grandad lied about the yr of birth he always said 25/12/1896 we remember celebrating his birthday on xmas day and on his mariage certificate his fathers name was John he and Albert were both in the Army

She's still in Pontypool, living with this family. Perhaps as a servant?...I don't have a sub to check.


HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON AUGUSTINE JOHN M 1878 33 Pontypool Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON GWENDOLINE MAUD F 1903 8 Pontypool Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON LAURA EMILY F 1904 7 Pontypool Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON LUCY F 1877 34 Pontypool Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON MAY F 1902 9 Pontypool Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ATHERTON PATRICA EVA F 1908 3 Pontypool Monmouthshire

HOUSEHOLD RAPSON BEATRICE ADELAIDE F 1897 14 Pontypool Monmouthshire

EDIT: Forgot I could put an occupation in the search. Yes, she's a servant.

I just wonder what Beatrice was doing in Grimsby when others of her family were still in Pontypool in the 1920s.

Has anybody found her in 1911?

Ozi

What was Albert's occupation?

Ozi

Elaine,

We really need some feedback on this. I assume you have his father's name from his marriage certificate.

Does it give an occupation for John?

Did Albert have any siblings?

No knowing WHERE he was born - his wife was born in South Wales, and they both died in Hertfordshire.

A child born in December 1896 would have been 14 when the 1911 census was taken........................

He may have thought he was born in 1896. This Albert is born in Grimsby.

1911: SHAW ALBERT M 1897 14 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

If he was illegitimate he could've made up his father's name.

Ozi

This looks like the one registered in Dec 1898. Can't view the image to see Emma is a widow.

Found Emma with William in 1891. She is married but husband is absent. William was born in Africa, so perhaps Emma's husband was in the army?


1901 England Census
about Albert Shaw
Name: Albert Shaw
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Appleby, Westmorland, England

Civil parish: Stockton On Tees
Ecclesiastical parish: Stockton on Tees St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Stockton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Household Members: Name Age
John C Wardman 43
Angelina Wardman 17
John Wardman 16
Charles Wardman 14
Frederic Wardman 11
Ernest Wardman 9
Mary Wardman 7
Albert Wardman 5
Emma Shaw 37
William D Shaw 14
Albert Shaw 2

In 1901 Fannie is born in Tetney.

1891 England Census
Name: Fanny M Shaw
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: North Thoresby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Tetney
Ecclesiastical parish: Tetney
Town: Tetney
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: North End

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Louth
Sub-registration district: Tetney
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Shaw 42 - widowed; Ag Lab; Sutton Lincolnshire.
Fanny M Shaw 12
Charton K Shaw 11 - [This should be Charles. The 'y' in Fanny crosses the 'l'.]
Leah A Shaw 9
George Shaw 51 - [This should be 5 years. There's some kind of scratch mark after the 5.]
Maria Robinson 33 - servant; housekeper
Kate A Johnson 32 - boarder

Elaine has now posted ANOTHER thread - looking for JOHN - who may not even exist, as far as can be discovered