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I said DEE! I got it right this time. ;)

So that marriage matches with the 1911 info - 29 years married.

Which doesn't bring us closer to knowing where FKH came from, but it's all grist!

And how might we feel about:

Births Mar 1880
Fitzgerald Florence Katherine Camberwell 1d 890

?

No explanation of the Hewlett -- except maye that was her father's surname.

I shall go look for her ...

I cannot find evidence of Britain having an ambassador in Ireland in 1884 - they would not need one then.

I'd meant to be asking that Patricia -- ambassador to Ireland? from Ireland? And yes, there would not have been such a thing anyway.

There *were* various top-level officials responsible for Ireland. I remember quite some time ago correcting the name of one in the censuses at Ancestry, in London somewhere ...

Oh dear............ does that mean we're 3D?


Dee x

Oh .....groan BMD!

Found this - don't know if it could be useful - Pearson Hill is a superannuated civil servant, his wife is from Ireland. Could FKH be his??

1881 England Census
about Margaret Fitzgerald
Name: Margaret Fitzgerald
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St John Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Belsize Park
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Housemaid Dom Serv

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pearson Hill 48
Jane D'esterre Hill 36
Jane T.E. Hill 11
Robert D'esterre Hill 6
Henry W. Hill 4
Frances Sarah Cooper 28
Martha Gore 28
Louisa Harris 26
Margaret Fitzgerald 22

Oh good one. I like it. I'd just been checking out an Augusto Soares with a servant named Kate Fitzgerald in 1881 -- and in earlier censuses a son of the right age.

I have this problem with a great-aunt. She was born right before the 1891 census. She is said to be the daughter of the son of the household where her mother was employed -- and the fact that she has a surname for a middle name corroborates that. All I can do is guess at households in Nottingham with that surname and servants in the 1891!


In 1881, Pearson Hill is a Superannuated Civil Servant -- very possibly having been posted in Ireland!

In 1861 he is unmarried, a clerk, sec's office, with a bit mishmash after that -- general office port? -- anyhow, clerk in the office of a secretary, possibly secretary for Ireland, that sort of thing.

I'm thinking that Margaret Fitzgerald is not necessarily the mother but that possibly the Master has done the unthinkable with another servant and the child has been sent to Margaret as she was known to the family and had given birth appox a year earlier so would still have milk to feed the baby.

As you say, Janey - all supposition really.


Looks like his death in England - not the Kimberley diamond mines, though

Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
Hill Pearson 66 Kensington 1a 98

Yes ... there's a submitted record in the IGI that has him as the son of Rowland Hill. *The* Rowland Hill? I wondered.


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Pearson_Hill_letter_to_French_Post

A Mons[ieu]r [?] Piron

Secretary's office
London
5. Feb[ruar]y 1862.

Sir

There is a small matter semi-officiel semi private, in which I am sure you will permit me to ask for your kind assistance.

My father, Sir Rowland Hill who, as you may suppose, watches with much interest the adoption throughout the world, of his plans of Postal Reform, has a collection of the postage stamps of the Nations, which collection I am desirous of rendering as complete as possible and with this view I take the liberty of asking whether - supposing it be now possible to obtain - you could favor him with specimens (unobliterated) of the postage stamps used in France during the time of the Republic.

Of these stamps I believe there are eight varieties - six bearing the Head of France, and two bearing the head of the Emperor, then President, and we shall be greatly indebted to your goodness if you can, without much trouble, procure them for us.

In addition to the stamps of the Republic that I have mentioned, my father's collection does not contain the Franc, or the 25. Cent[ime]s stamp of the Empire - which stamps I now find are no longer issued. We shall be much obliged if you can favour us with specimen of each.

I am, Sir
your obed[ien]t Servant
Pearson Hill.
(Private Secretary to Sir R. Hill)

Long shot, but I think I might buy it:

Births Jun 1883
HILL Florence Kate Wandsworth 1d 644

Unless we come up with something better!

Edit re next post - oh well, sigh. ;)

As we all know, I'm a Hill (until my Hill became a fake Monck ;) ) I wouldn't wish the name on anyone trying to do family history.

I liked it.....until

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HARRIS Jane Wandsworth 1d 1387
*****HILL Florence Kate Wandsworth 1d 1387
REYNOLDS William Colebrook Wandsworth 1d 1387
SAMPSON Samuel Wandsworth 1d 1387

Lawrence,
Could you tell us if any of this information is of use?
Thank-you

Hi Patricia
It has been very useful to my wife there are some questions we need to ask the family.
Florence's father had a sister who married into the De' Burgh family I don't know if that is of any help.
I hope to have some more info soon I will try and answer some of you questions.
Can I thank you and the others for all your hard work you have done foe me.
Regards
Lawrence

There's a fairly limited number of marriages that could be that sister.

I searched at FreeBMD for marriages of [blank] to DE BURGH 1860-1890, for instance. One might guess that St George Hanover Square (rather than Manchester, e.g.) would be the location. But in any event, it left only a handful of possibilities, where the groom was a De Burgh. No Hewlett brides, of course. ;)

(I checked out "Elizabeth How_et Dewe" who looked promising, but it's actually Howell.)

Lawrence,
If Florence's father's sister married into the De Burgh family, then who were the father and sister, or is this just family myth?
Also, have you got Florence's wedding certificate with her father's name and occupation on it?
Thank-you

I asked that about the marriage cert way back at the beginning, I did. ?

Who were the father and sister -- I think that's the question. ;)


BMD or anyone -- the Margaret Fizgerald marriage record says:

Margarets address; 22 Oneill Street

I can't find such a street in the 1881 census or on a current map.

It's Fulham / Hammersmith / Kensington?

Can someone give me a better idea? Knowing who was at that address in 1881 could be interesting.

I'm just finding this person in 1881 interesting:


Name: Mary I. or J. Hewlett
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Where born: Leigh, Wiltshire, England
Occupation: Housemaid Dom Serv

Civil parish: St George
County/Island: London
Street Address: 34 Charles St
Registration district: Chelsea

Robert N.F. Kingscote 51
Emily M. Kingscote 44
J.R. Kingscote 24
Edwin Chick 38
Henry W. Chick 19
Henry W. Webb 13
Charlotte Long 37
Mary I. or J. Hewlett 24
Mary I.Or J. Clarke 21


The son aged 24 (It's "N.R.") is Nigel; he didn't marry until 1912, died 1921. The family is way up there: Robert is retired Col, MP, they're in Burke's, his wife is daughter of Earl Howe, he has a wiki page, etc. Not seeing an Irish connection. Although Robert's third name is Fitzhardinge.

(I'm wondering whether the Irish connection isn't just Mary Fitzgerald, whatever the rest of the story.)

The only person I can match Mary J Hewlett up with is a Mary Jane Taylor, daughter of an unmarried Mary Taylor, with her mother / grandparents / brother in 1861 and 1871 in Wiltshire (I think she is daughter of Mary, not of Mary's brother Thomas).

Mmmm, I was wondering about de Burgh possibly being an Irish name as well......

Well, Chris de Burgh is Irish!!!

It is. ;)

Here's a little bit about one of them:

http://thepeerage.com/e674.htm

Hello Patricia,
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner pc problems.
My sister in law had the wedding certificate and Florence's father was named as Hewlett (cant remember first name) but we think this is not correct anyway as the fathers surname is Smyth mothers name is Hewlett we are not sure if it is Smyth's sister who married into the de Burgh family or his mothers sister (his aunt) she was taken to England as a child with her real Grandmother could have been Great mother and the Pewsey's were given money to bring her up but she always knew she came from Irish aristocracy!!! as she would pour over the obituaries to see if her real family were looking for her to leave her something. The wedding certificate is in the family somewhere we have them looking for it for more clues.
Regards,
Lawrence

Oh, Lawrence, you just aren't helping yourself.

How do you know the father's surname is Smyth (and the mother's is Hewlett)? Why is this the first time we're hearing abou it?

Why did we spend all this time identifying the Pewseys and Florence living with them, when your family apparently knew this all along?

My great-grandfather always knew he came from Irish aristocracy, too. He was even a little more specific: his father was the black sheep younger brother of the 5th Viscount Monck. Which would be why he and his youngest sister (whom I'd never heard of) changed their name (as only I discovered, only about 5 years ago) from Hill to Monck. His older sister (whom I'd never heard of) appears in censuses as a Hill born in Jersey, but her descendants were always told she was a Miss Montmorency from France.

What our ancestors "knew", or at least said, just ain't reality sometimes. ;)