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Hi Moody Blue, another mystery, , thanks for the extra info.
Best wishes
Angie

Another mystery?

what happened to Anthony R Hillary........cannot find a remarriage, death or emigration.
How was it that Louisa married him in 1893...the same year as Millicent was born as Millicent Hayter.
Frederick J Hayter was also born Hampshire so did she know him previously but still odd that she married someone else but named her daughter Hayter.

Interesting!!


1901 England Census
about Louisa B Hillary
Name: Louisa B Hillary
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackfriars, London, England

Civil parish: St Bride
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bride
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:92 Fleet St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: St Sepulchre
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
>>>>>>>>Frederick J Hayter 40 married, Caretaker born Hordle Hants
>>>>>>>>Louisa B Hillary 24 married, Servant domestic born Blackfriars
Alice S Agness 23 servant born Stepney




England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Frederick John Hayter
Name: Frederick John Hayter
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 46
District: London City
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 23

Very odd!!!!

This is Millicents mothers marriage but not to a Mr.Hayter

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Louisa Butler Needle
Name: Louisa Butler Needle
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 201
spouse: Anthony Russell Hillary

and this is Anthony R Hillary in 1901:-

1901 England Census
about Anthony R Hillary
Name: Anthony R Hillary
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Chilbolton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Andover
Ecclesiastical parish: Andover St Mary
Town: Andover
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Weyhill road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Andover
Sub-registration district: Andover
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie P Hillary 72 widow living on own means
Sarah M P Barratt 64 sister, widow
Anthony R Hillary 33 nephew married

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Louisa Butler Needle
Name: Louisa Butler Needle
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 71


1881 England Census
about Louisa Needle
Name: Louisa Needle
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Ruth B.
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 25 Meyrick Road
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Needle 33Railway Signalman born Ford Hampshire
Ruth B. Needle 30 born Shipton worcestershire
Louisa Needle 5 born Lambeth surrey
Annie Needle 3 born lambeth
Joseph Needle 2 born lambeth
Baby Needle Clapham Surrey
Ann White 61nurse



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Joseph Needle
Name: Joseph Needle
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 688
spouse: Ruth Butler Hemmings

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Louisa Butler Hayter
Name: Louisa Butler Hayter
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: George Price
Spouse Age: 45
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Mar 1908
Parish: St Giles, Camberwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Joseph Needle
Spouse Father Name: George Price

George Price, age 45 ,bachelor, Grocer, address 29 Denmark Hill, father: George Price, Farmer

Louisa Butler Hayter age 31, widow, address 29 Denmark Hill, father: Joseph Needle,Licenced Victualler

witnesses: Samuel Bright, Emma Jones

You probably have this info now but just in case:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Millicent Ruth Hayter
Name: Millicent Ruth Hayter
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Fordingbridge
County: Hampshire, Wiltshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 669



1901 England Census
about Millicent R Hayter
Name: Millicent R Hayter
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Longstock
Ecclesiastical parish: Longstock St Mary
Town: Longstock
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:Peat Spade Inn

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stockbridge
Sub-registration district: Stockbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Needle 53 Licenced victualler
Ruth B Needle 49 wife
Emma E Needle 19 daughter, Drapers Assistant
Willie R Needle 16 son, Dairyman, domestic
Millicent R Hayter 4 grandaughter
William Scevier 11 servant, general somestic
Lloyd Jarvis 64 lodger, gardener


1911 census transcription details for: 92 Fleet ST
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1312 RG78PN45 RD15 SD2 ED22 SN17

Reg. District: London City Sub District: St Sepulchre and All Hallows
Parish: City of London Enum. District: 22
Address: 92 Fleet ST
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
PRICE, George Head Married M 50 1861 Grocer Wales
PRICE, Louisa Wife Married
3 years F 35 1876 Caretaker London
HAYTER, Millicent Stepdaughter F 14 1897 Fordingbridge Hants
HAYTER, Dorothy Stepdaughter F 10 1901 London


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Dorothy Sarah Hayter
Name: Dorothy Sarah Hayter
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jun 1901
Father's Name: Frederick Hayter
Mother's Name: Louisa Hayter
Parish: Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex
address 92 FleetSt
fathers occupation:House-Keeper

Hi Moody Blue, many thanks.
Cheers
Angie x

So pleased for you!! Hope it continues to go well for you

MoodyB x

Hi Moody Blue, I got in touch with Chrstine, we have a family match with the Haters & Burt & Coats, also another link a bit further up this line contacted me from Australia this morning, so a great many thanks to you & Flick & Dea & K, you have helped me so much.
Love
Angie xxxx

Thank you so much for the info Moody Blue, you have been very kind, I will see if I can get in contact with her.
Best wishes
Angie

Angela, there is another GR member who has researched the same family. Her name is Christine. If you put in the search trees facility the name John Coats 1884 you should find her. She has him born in South Africa which would account for me not being able to find his birth reference.She also has Millicent Hayter etc.

Sorrry Angela - had to go off-line but glad you came back and got more help!!

Dea x

Hi, yes I will & thank you again for all your help xx

Angela, thankyou for replying........If you do take it further please keep us updated....I'm intrigued!

Hi Moody Blue, Dorothy Constance did die in 1999, it was a Sunday & the same days as my cat, these are the right people, the suicide of John Coats, was never talked about, & as I see they are from quite a weathly & upstanding family I can see why, my mother in law who was the sister in law of Dorothy Constance, (we always knew her as Constance) told me about it, this is one reason why I can't get any info fom our cousin Jennifer ( daughter of Dorothy Contance).

Thank you Moody Blue & everyone for all your help
Angie

You really do need to purchase Dorothys birth certificate to confirm her parentage as otherwise all this info is sheer speculation.

This is the death reference for John H J V Coats:


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about John H J V Coats
Name: John H J V Coats
Death Registration Month/Year: 1937
Age at death (estimated): 53
Registration district: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 623

and for Millicent:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Millicent R Coats
Name: Millicent R Coats
Death Registration Month/Year: 1944
Age at death (estimated): 48
Registration district: Calder
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 594


Barbara's marriage is in Calder Yorkshire......the same district as Millicents death reference,


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Barbara R Coats
Name: Barbara R Coats
Spouse Surname: Hall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Registration district: Calder
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire- West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 1229
Find Spouse: Albert W Hall

Barbara's death...................note her 2nd name is Ruth...same as Millicents:-


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Barbara Ruth Hall
Name: Barbara Ruth Hall
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1919
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 2002
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Oxfordshire
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Register number: R01D
District and Subdistrict: 6951R
Entry number: 215

Dorothy's death: ( could Dorothy's 3rd name be Millicent I wonder?)


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Dorothy Constance M Burt
Name: Dorothy Constance M Burt
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1916
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1999
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Register number: A34B
District and Subdistrict: 2361A
Entry number: 186

Perhaps if you were to purchase the birth certificate for Dorothy it would hopefully give you mothers maiden name, fathers name & occupation and then maybe we could confirm some details. Also the marriage certificate should provide the fathers name & occupation.