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Thanks Sylvia and everyone else for a very interesting thread. I found the connection with William Hatfield, and Sarah Ann, his future wife. William boarded with Martha Maria and Thomas Young. Both men were tailors. You also gave me heaps of other info I didn't have about the family, so I am very grateful. I'll continue the search. Cheers, Margaret

This I presume is the William Bloice you found in 1841


1841 Census

Name: William Bloice
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Great Bromley
Hundred: Tendring
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Tendring
Sub-registration district: Ardleigh

William Bloice 45 Ag Lab
George Bloice 20 Ag Lab
William Bloice 15 Ag Lab
Mary Bloice 15 Ag Lab

Address:- Town House Lane


I couldn't find either William or Mary on the 1851 Census


but there was this One World Tree information, which looked interesting:-



Mary Bloice
Father: William Bloice
Mother: Mary Manning
Birth: 11 May 1825 - Great Bromley, Essex, England
Death: 1841 - Great Bromley, Essex, England


William Bloyce
Spouse: Mary Ann
F: William Bloice

M: Mary Manning
Birth: 8 Oct 1822 - Great Bromley, Essex, England
Death: 1901 - Essex, England


Opening that tree shows:-

William Bloice
Born: 1792
Great Bromley, Essex, England
Died: 1842
Great Bromley, Essex, England

Spouse
Mary Manning
Born: Great Bromley, Essex, England
Died:
Marriage: 24 Jun 1818 in St Georges Church Great Bromley, Essex, England

Children
George Bloyce M born 9 Jun 1819 in Great Bromley, Essex, England
Mary Bloice F b. 11 May 1825 in Great Bromley, Essex, England William Bloyce M b. 8 Oct 1822 in Great Bromley, Essex, England




you should be able to find this on ancestry.co.uk





sylvia

Hi Margaret


Just one point


The fact that William and Mary were both 15 on the 1841 Census does NOT necessarily mean that they were twins.


The enumerators were under instructions to round DOWN to the nearest 5 the ages of all people aged 15 and over


so all that means is that William and Mary individually were somewhere between 15 and 19 years of age.


If you notice, William and George's ages were also multiples of 5.


You will have to fiond them on the 1851 Census, or on the IGI or somewhere to see whether they really were twins.





sylvia

Briefly as I am a 1 fingered typist
The Old Bailey July 11th 1832
THE LOTTERY TICKET
Robert Bloice aged 43 a carpenter of very respectable appearance
www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18320705-181-defend1523&div=t18320705-181#highlight

The Ipswich Journal Feb 12th 1820
Notice to debtors and creditors
ROBERT BLOICE of Great Bentley in the county of Essex General Shopkeeper having assigned his estate and effects to Messers James Seaman and JOHN BLOICE of Thorpe ,in the said county,in trust for the said benefit of such creditors shall execute the Deed of Assignment ,who will be respectively called upon by one of the Trustees. All persons having any claim or demand upon the the estate and effects or any unsettled accounts with the said ROBERT BLOICE are particularly requested to send them to James Seaman or JOHN BLOICE, and all persons indebted to Robert Bloice or who have any of his effects are required to pay and deliver forthwith
Thorpe feb 4th 1820

Hi All, You are doing a sterling job of broadening your searching. When I tried yesterday, I found Martha Maria's marriage to Thomas Young, at Shoreditch, and I have always had a handwritten copy of Sarah Ann's marriage cert. In the 1841census I found William Bloice, 45, George 20, William 15 and Mary 15. No mother, and twins, which still occur in my family today, usually every second generation. (My father had twin brothers.) Couldn't find a record of William's marriage. And of course, would still like to know Robert sen's parents and Martha Rebecca's maiden name and parents. Too much wishing? And I think William Longden Hatfied, tailor, and named Attfield in the record, boarded with one of the Bloice sisters, and that's how he and Sarah Ann met. Thanks again, M

Hi Margaret
I think Sarah Ann was certainly related to Samuel Dobree Bloice
Samuel was a witness to her marriage

The Parish Church St leonards Shorditch
marriage 01 MAR 1852
William Longden hatfield full age Bachelor proffession tailor residence St james Westminster father William Longden prof: Tailor
Sarah ann Bloice full age spinster profession servant residence St Leonards Shoreditch Father Robert Bloice Carpenter

wittnesses samuel dobree bloice
henry wilton and mary bloice

Marriages

Groom's Name: Richard Allsop
Bride's Name: Martha Maria Young
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1854
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Allsop
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973



Groom's Name: James Brace
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Bloice
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1868
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Brace
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973


Groom's Name: William Jr. Smith
Bride's Name: Charlotte Caroline Bloice
Marriage Date: 06 May 1849
Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Smith
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Margaret
Do you have Sarahs marriage certificate?
GRO: Shoreditch 1c 319
If so does it give her address at time of marriage and her fathers occupation?

Hi Margaret
I posted the marriage for Eleanor Bardwell to confirm she did actually marry a Robert Bloss not Bloice, as you originally posted.

Possible deaths
Deaths Dec 1875
BLOSS Eleanor age 65
Plomesgate 4a 441

Deaths Mar 1876
BLOSS Robert age 71
Plomesgate 4a 489

An extra item: Emma Doggett was Emma Blofs, and Stephen was her father, Not sure if he was related to the Robert/Martha group, or just a signatory to Samuel Dobree's marriage to Emma. It may be a fairly mixed bloodline! M

Sorry, SnowyJen, This Robert is from Snape, and his parents are Richard and Sarah. He is not the father of Sarah Ann or Samuel Dobree, so can't be the father of the others you found, as they all say Father Robert Bloice, mother Martha Rebecca. I found Edward Alfred this morning, but he died aged 9. Searching for the others who married, such as Charlotte Caroline and Martha Maria, in census returns, is an uphill battle, even on IGI. Oh for a miracle! But many thanks for your efforts up to now. Should I keep watching, or will we let it go? Margaret

Groom's Name: Robert Bloss
Bride's Name: Eleanor Bardwell
Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1836
Marriage Place: Blaxhall,Suffolk,England
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Thanks again, SnowyJen. I think your research is telling me that Sarah Ann and Samuel Dobree are not siblings. Since it is Sarah Ann to whom I am related directly, I will eliminate Samuel D, and add the others you found. I can certainly verify the Hatfield end of your research. Regards, M

On 1851 census Sarah ann is a servent so is Mary Eliz Bloice in the same household so its possible they are sisters and she is the Eliz Mary who's christening is above

1851
Name Sarah Ann Bloice also mary eliz bloice age 17
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Servant
Address Springfield Villas
District Hampstead, Hampstead
Parish Hampstead
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Brantley
Birth County Essex

WILLIAM LONGDEN HATFIELD
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH ANN BLOICE
Marriage: 01 MAR 1852 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

Marriages Mar 1852
Bloice Sarah Ann
Hatfield William Longden
Shoreditch 1c 319



Name: James Frederick William Hatfield
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Mar 1853
Baptism/Christening Place: St. James, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Birth Date: 02 Feb 1853
Father's Name: William Longdon Hatfield
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Collection: Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981

On Ancestry.co.uk there are the following children born to a Robert and Martha in the baptism,marriage records,unfortunately I can't view the full image.

Martha Maria 1821 and she married Thomas Young
Charlotte Caroline married William Smith Jnr in 1849
Sarah Ann married William Longdon hatfield 1852 in Shoreditch London.
Edward Alfred Bloice.
But I can't verify any of the above.

I can't find them on 1841 /1851 census's to check them out.

Great Bentley Colchester Essex.
So I don't think it means Great Bromley.

Maryb

Just a question to you all - was Sarah Ann Bloice part of this family, please? Her birth date is c1828, place Brantley, married William Longden Hatfield, 1852, Shoreditch, came to Oz very soon after marriage. Hoping, Margaret

To both SnowyJen and Mary, thanks for your added help. This has certainly made things much more understandable. Regards, Margaret

Martha Rebecca Bloice died June 1864 in Holborn London.

Maryb