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Colin
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24 Jun 2010 15:43 |
I am trying to find info on my paternal Grandma. Her name was Lilly (the spelling varies even on family documents) I do know she was from Liverpool b.10/9/1868. The family bible says she had a brother Edward Hall b22/11/1852 and a sister, Mary Anne Hall no dob but died 8/1/1853. (I must add here that some of the family think she may have been born Stuart or Stewart and adopted by someone called Hall. It isn't easy is it? lol) Lilly married Walter Parry from Hengoed, Oswestry at Toxteth Park and they lived in Hyde Cheshire. I am trying fo find out where she came from originally, her family, her date of death (which was sometime in 1944 I believe) I can't find anything in the BMD apart from the marriage record. Over to you good people! I thank you in advance for any and all help and advice you can give me. Colin Parry
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brummiejan
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24 Jun 2010 15:47 |
1891 England Census
Name: Lillie Parry Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Daughter-in-law Spouse's name: Walter Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Selattyn Ecclesiastical parish: Selattyn Town: Selattyn County/Island: Shropshire
Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: Llansilin
Thomas Parry 57 Walter Parry 25 Where born: Hengoed, Shropshire, England Lillie Parry 22 Sinah Ann Parry 5/12
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brummiejan
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24 Jun 2010 15:49 |
1911:
PARRY, Walter Head Married M 44 1867 Carter Hengoed Selattyn VIEW PARRY, Lilly Wife Married 20 years F 42 1869 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW PARRY, Gertrude Daughter Single F 18 1893 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW PARRY, Elizabeth Annie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW PARRY, Fanny Daughter Single F 15 1896 Ring Spinner Selattyn Llansilin VIEW PARRY, Florence Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Oswestry Salop VIEW PARRY, Edith Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Oswestry Salop VIEW PARRY, Mary Constance Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Oswestry Salop VIEW PARRY, Norah Phyliss Daughter Single F 5 1906 School Oswestry Salop VIEW PARRY, Jessie Daughter Single F 3 1908 Newton Hyde VIEW PARRY, Winifred Daughter Single F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Dukinfield Ashton U Lyne VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24412 Reference: RG14PN24412 RG78PN1400 RD468 SD7 ED10 SN234 Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne Sub District: Dukinfield Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Dukinfield Address: 29 Birch Lane Dukinfield County: Lancashire
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safc
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24 Jun 2010 15:51 |
hi this one has stewart as a middle name Births Sep 1868 (>99%) CHAMBERS Lilian Stewart Liverpool 8b 116
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brummiejan
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24 Jun 2010 15:51 |
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%) Hall Lilly Toxteth Park 8b 478 Parry Walter Toxteth Park 8b 478
You could do with this cert really to ascertain father's name.
Jan
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brummiejan
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24 Jun 2010 15:55 |
I think this is mary A. not Mary E.
1881 England Census
Name: Lillie Hall Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 22 Portwood St Occupation: Scholar Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
Sarah Hall 64 Lillie Hall 12 Mary E. Hall 11
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brummiejan
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24 Jun 2010 16:02 |
I imagine you have all this, but just in case:
1901 England Census
Name: Lilly Parry Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Walter Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Oswestry Ecclesiastical parish: Oswestry Holy Trinity County/Island: Shropshire
Registration district: Oswestry Sub-registration district: Oswestry
Walter Parry 35 Lilly Parry 33 Gertrude Parry 9 Elizabeth A Parry 8 Fanny Parry 7 Alice Parry 5 Florence Parry 1
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MaureeninNY
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24 Jun 2010 16:28 |
I guess this is where the Stuart speculation comes in?? 1871 Ancestry Name: Sarah Hall Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Household schedule number: 96 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Hall 53 David B Hall 13 Sarah R Evans 22 Mary Stuart 2 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3846; Folio: 104; Page: 18
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Colin
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24 Jun 2010 17:16 |
Thank you safc, I had not thought of lilly being a shorted version of Lillian! Doh! I am fairly new to this. fun isn't it? Colin
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Colin
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24 Jun 2010 17:25 |
To Brummiejan I think this is where the Hall name comes in. Sarah is shown as "Nurse" I did wonder about the Mary mentioned here. Would not be Lily's sister as she was already dead by '81 according to family bible. I do have the records you have sent but I do appreciate your help! Thank you! I think you are right about the marriage cert it is on my "go get" list which is ever expanding :-( Thanks again, Colin Colin
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BatMansDaughter
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24 Jun 2010 17:27 |
Hi Colin,
Just checked Lillian Stewart Chambers and she is still with her mother in 1891, so unfortunately I don't think she is your Grandma.
Do you have your Grandma's marriage certificate? If you don't it maybe worth getting it and seeing who she put as her father and also seeing who the witnesses were.... sometimes these were family members, that would really help!
You can order certificates at The General Register, it's the cheapest place and hopefully it may help with the search.
Dee x
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Colin
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24 Jun 2010 17:30 |
MaureenNY:- Please excuse my ignorance but how do you associate this entry with my Lilly? Am I missing something? The spelling could be right as some of my cousins have this as their middle name and tradition says it came from Grandma Parry (Lilly) Thanks for helping! Colin
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Colin
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24 Jun 2010 17:34 |
Thank you Dee. I am going to get the cert and thank you for the advice about where to get it.
All you people are wonderful! I've never had a reply on a request site so quick! Let alone this many. Thank you all! Colin.
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MaureeninNY
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24 Jun 2010 17:47 |
Hi Colin, I was just going back one census to the Sarah Hall that Brummiejan found in 1881 with a Lillie and Mary Hall as boarders. She has a Mary Stuart with her in 1871 and I thought perhaps someone researching on your side of the family may have extrapolated and decided that the Mary in 1881 was the same person.
And if that made any sense to anyone....
Maureen
Edit: Just cleaned up my post to correct census data.
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BatMansDaughter
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24 Jun 2010 17:51 |
Sorry I deleted.
I think Maureen that you are on the right tracks and that the 1871 Sarah is the same lady in the 1881 census. I noted that Mary Stuart was a nurse child on the 1871 census and this would tie in with Sarah Halls occupation on the 1881 census.
But for the life of me I can't see them in 1861.
EDIT>>>>>>>> just checked the 1871 and 1881 census for Sarah Hall........ it's the same address!!
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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24 Jun 2010 17:58 |
Found this death;
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hall David Bonner 19 West Derby 8b 386
I think this is the son from the 1871 census....... just can't see a birth.
Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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24 Jun 2010 18:14 |
It would be interesting to see who was living at 22 Portwood Street in 1861... I can see it available on Find My Past but unfortunately I have no subs or credits left.
Colin, sometimes we have to go further back before we can make sense of the findings.
Dee x
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MaureeninNY
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24 Jun 2010 19:09 |
Nobody that looks tied in: 1861 census transcription details for: 22, Portwood Street, West Derby, Liverpool National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2734 Folio: 37 Page: 20 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: 6 West Derby Parish: West Derby Enum. District: 38e Ecclesiastical District: St Clement City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool Address: 22, Portwood Street, West Derby, Liverpool County: Lancashire
NAYLOR, William Head Married M 56 1805 Razor Grinder Sheffield Yorkshire NAYLOR, Mary Wife Married F 52 1809 Dunalastair Yorkshire JONES, Fanny Daughter Married F 27 1834 Butcher Sheffield Yorkshire NAYLOR, John Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Butcher Sheffield Yorkshire NAYLOR, Henry Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Carter Sheffield Yorkshire NAYLOR, Richard Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
Maureen
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BatMansDaughter
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24 Jun 2010 19:21 |
Thanks Maureen. I wonder if the 1861 census that we're looking for is one of the water damaged batches?
Dee x
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MaureeninNY
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24 Jun 2010 19:31 |
Could well be,Dee. I know FMP has some? of the resurrected ones,but I can't see Sarah. Any bets that David isn't her natural son either?
Maureen
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