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William Brown

1861 Census

Name: William Brown
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton

William Brown 27 Hat & Bonnet Presser
Emma Brown 24 b.ca 1837, Redbourn, Hertfordshire, Bonnet Sewer
Lizzy Brown 1 b.ca 1860, Luton
Julia Brown 5 MO b.ca 1860, Luton
Louisa Biggs 11 b.ca 1850, Redbourn, Hertfordshire, Sister-in-Law, Bonnet Sewer
Caroline Charge 15, Servant (Nurse Maid)

Address:- 2 Spring Place


1881 Census

Name: William Brown
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 37 Adelaide Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Manufacture

Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton

William Brown 47
Emma Brown 44
Lizze Brown 22
Julia Brown 20
William H.T. Brown 17
Emma L. Brown 12
Herbert E. Brown 9
Amelia Brown 6
Gertrude E. Brown 4
Edith F. Brown 1



sylvia

Louisa Biggs is noted as sister-in-law on the 1861 census


so I wonder if this is William's marriage


Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)

Biggs Emma Luton 3b 584
Brown William Luton 3b 584



sylvia

1871 Census ... the mis-transcription of the name has been corrected, made it easy to find him!


1871 Census

Name: William Broom
[William Brown]
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Broom
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Mis, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton

William Broom 37 Straw Hat Blocker
Emma Broom 34 Sewer
Lizzer Broom 11
Julia Broom 10
William H Broom 7
Walter E Broom 5
Emma L Broom 2
Herbert C Broom 3 Months

Address:- 11 Alma (??sp) Street



?????????? William in 1851 with widowed father????

1851 Census

Name: William Brown Junr.
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Great Missenden
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Missenden

William Brown 49 b.ca 1802, Missenden, Buckinghamshire, Ag Lab
William Brown 17 Ag Lab
Catherine Brown 10 Scholar
Henry Brown 8 Scholar
Mary Witney 61 House Keeper

Address:- Church Street


and ??? in 1841

1841 Census

Name: William Brown
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Great Missenden
Hundred: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Amersham
Sub-registration district: Missenden

William Brown 35 Ag Lab
Elizabeth Brown 35
John Brown 20
Charles Brown 15
Elizabeth Brown 15
James Brown 15
Caroline Brown 10
William Brown 8
Maria Brown 4
Elizabeth Brown 3
Catherine Brown 6 MO
Henery Merrill 25 probably a Lodger

Address:- Church Street


ages of people over the age of 15 were usually rounded down to the closest 5 on the 1841 ... thus the apparent presenceof triplets! Birth years may be as much as 4 years earlier.




sylvia

Thanks so much Sylvia, will work to see if this all fits in.

Much appreciated.
Aly

Perhaps you can help with this connection...?

My grandmother Margaret McCormick Waller (b1908), her parents owned a Pub, The Salisbury Arms at 159 Wellington Street, Luton. The pub was bombed in WWII, and I believe my g.grandmother was killed & an infant.
I've heard different stories, that perhaps this was a step-mother (grandmother, etc) or maybe it was a step-father, hence a different name?? Clarification would be wonderful.

Thanks,
Aly

I have been following this thread with interest as I live in Luton and the street names are very familiar to me!

Regarding Herbert, did he die in Barton le Clay? I live near to the village and there is only one church there - I wonder if I may be able to find his headstone and send you a photograph?

Tracey, thanks for jumping in...

I think its quite likely that Herbert lived in Barton le-Clay until his death. I do know that he swam regularly at Bath Road pool until very late in life. He also heard he 'stock-piled' pink champagne & caviar for the celbratory feast after his passing!!! - Quite a character!!!
A photo of his headstone would be wonderful (not sure if I can give my email on these boards??)

Herbert was uncle to my mother, Margaret, and he with my grandfather owned R&B Hats in Luton. Unfortunately my grandfather died by his own hand in 1963 & probably took many a family story to the grave with him.

Thanks again,
Aly, NY

Alyson

what a wonderful offer by Tracey!

No, don't put your email on the open boards

Click on her name, and that will take you to a box so that you can send her a pm (private message) through the GR system. You can then both make arrangements through that as to whether she wants your email address or possibly a snail mail one.



BTW .... not sure that I can help you with your query. I'm not too good on "modern" searches!

Like you, I am not in the UK ....... I'm in Vancouver on the west coast of Canada



sylvia

If you can give me Herberts full name date of death and age at death I will pop up to Barton cemetery and have a look.....it is a nice little village.

Bath Road swimming pool is still there incidentally! Its very old and there have been plans to pull it down and rebuild it for years!

Hopefully I will go Sunday, its pouring with rain here at the mo so will wait for a dry day!

I will let you know either may and can send you a personal pm with a photo if we get lucky.

Tracey

Tracey

His full name was Herbert R. Waller & his wife was Edith J. Meacham Waller. I'll have to check with my brother re: age & date of death.
He was eight years older than my grandfather Robert, so his birthdate was 1899 or 1900.
My brother who now lives in Texas, was manager of the Luton Pools/Parks before moving to the US in 1997. I remember the pool when it first opened, we swam at Waller Street pool before then (that's part of the Arndale Centre or whatever its called now??)
Anyway, thanks, I'll see what I can get from my brother today.
Many thanks,
Aly
Sylvia, thanks for the info...A

Hi Alyson
I found these few pieces of information on Margarets family.
Regards, Lou


1911 census

MCCORMICK, Gilbert S Head Married M 30 1881 Journeyman Butcher Nuneaton Chilvers Coton Warwickshire
MCCORMICK, Elizabeth Wife Married
5 years F 25 1886 Housework Luton Bedfordshire VIEW
MCCORMICK, Jessie G Daughter F 5 1906 Luton Beds
MCCORMICK, Margaret F Daughter F 2 1909 Luton Beds
MCCORMICK, Ronald W Brother Single M 21 1890 Stoker At Destructor Nuneaton Warwickshire VIEW

Registration District:
Luton Sub District:
Luton Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Luton

Address:
27 Buxton Road Luton Bedfordshire County:
Bedfordshire



Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
McCormick Gilbert G 45 Luton 3b 433


Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Gee Cuthbert McCormick Luton 3b 1106
McCormick Elizabeth E Gee Luton 3b 1106



Name: GEE, ELIZABETH ETHEL
Initials: E E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 54
Date of Death: 30/08/1940
Additional information: of 159 Wellington Street. Daughter of the late George and Ann Burgess; wife of Cuthbert Gee. Died at 159 Wellington Street.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: LUTON, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH

Lou thanks so much!!!

I think tthis is the missing info...you're a gem!

Regards,
Aly NY

Sadly also found this.

Name: SKELTON, JOHN ANDREW GUTHRIE
Initials: J A G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 3
Date of Death: 30/08/1940
Additional information: Son of John David Guthrie Skelton and Jessie Gwendoline Skelton, of 150 Wardown Crescent. Died at 159 Wellington Street.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: LUTON, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH

Lou,
I knew that he died there too...however it was never talked about. We thought he was an infant, but apprently not.
The day of the bombing, was the typical day that the grandchildren had 'tea' with their grandmother. However my mother had a special Brownie meeting scheduled, so she & her brother changed plans and went the day before. Life is so random!
It is believed that the pub was not the target, rather the munitions factory (Vauxhall or similar), another theory..just the dumping of excess bombs before heading back.
Really appreciate the information.
Best,
Aly, NY

Tracey,
Checked with Texas...he thinks Herbert died early to mid 1980's, sorry I can't be more accuarate. He stilled lived in Barton, Manor Road. The funeral aftermath was at the house.
His wife Edith, was using her middle name Jane, at that time, died shortly afterwards.
Not sure if this info is very helpful, but for now its all I have. I'm really in the early stages of Waller tracking,
Thanks for all,
Aly, NY

Found these possiblilties

Name: Herbert Robert Waller
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1899
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1985
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 530

Name: Edith Jane Waller
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1892
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1986
Age at death (estimated): 94
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 481

Thanks again Lou!
Reagrds, A