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Trying to find family of Henry & Frances Griggs, who came to Torbanlea Qld, 1889, with family, trying to find out about family in England, Frances was Frances Gilham, parents were Joseph & Ann Adie, can anyone help please, thanks Kathy

have you any idea at all which part of England they came from?



Why was Frances' surname Gilham if her parents were Adie??? Had she been married before?


Have you any idea when Henry and Frances married??





I can find no record of marriages, or of them on the England and Wales censuses






sylvia

dob's etc would help too
children's name etc

Henry Griggs b17.7.1834. d - 10.8.1907 Torbanlea Australia wife- Frances nee Gilham b 3.9.1830. died 16.8.1907 Torbanlea Australia, married - 22.6.1858 St Johns Ch Margate Isle OF Hante, Eng
children Frances Emma b 14.3.1860 Bermondsery, Henry Thomas b 28.12.1860 Bermondsery,Sarah Jane b31.8.1866 Bermondsery, Rhoda Anne 2.6.1872, Newham Frederic Stephen b 25.6.1872 Newham, Eliza 24.6.1874 Newham.

Parents of Henry who married Frances Gilham, Henry Griggs b 17.7.1834, married Ann Hewitt ?. I think the father of Henry Griggs b 1834 might be a Stephen Griggs but I can't find it ?

Frances Gilham parents - Joseph Gilham b abt 1801 Kent, died June 1873 Faversham. married Ann Adie b abt 1875, died June 1875 Faversham. hope this helps and clears up my mistakes, sorry, I do not know who thanks Kathy

so this looks like the family in 1861


The image is very poor, and the writing difficult to read!


1861 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frcis J
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James

Henry Griggs 26 Seaman ???
Frcis J Grigg 29 b.ca 1832, Herse Hile, Kent <<<< probably should be Frances, and Herse Hill
Frances J E Grigg 2 b.ca 1859, Bermondsey <<< probably just Frances E
Henry S Grigg 3 Mo b.ca 1861, Bermondsey

Address:- West Street



sylvia

In 1871, the name has been mistranscribed, but a change has been made to the index on ancestry ... the transcriber forgot to change the surname between two households. It is very clear on the actual census image!


1871 Census

Name: Henry Milgate
[Henry Griggs]
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Sotro, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<<< shoudl be SOHO
Civil parish: Newnham
Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury
Town: Newnham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Teynham

Henry Milgate 37 Baker
Frances Milgate 40 b. Herne Hill
Frances Emma Milgate 12
Henry Thomas Milgate 10
Sarah Jane Milgate 4
Rhoda Annie Milgate 9 months b. Newnham



sylvia

There are these baptism records on the London Baptisms ....... but only 3 of them


The baptisms of the others may not have taken place in London, or in parishes that ahve not been transcribed, or they may not have been baptised!


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry Thomas Griggs
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 10 Mar 1861
Father's Name: Henry Griggs
Mother's Name: Frances Griggs
Parish: Christ Church, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Father's occupaton:- Steward

Address:- Bermondsey



I'll have to finish later ........ dinner time!!!




sylvia

I'm not sure whether these are yours after all!

The parents' names are the same, but you do not show these children's names!



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Clara Ann Griggs
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Apr 1863
Father's Name: Henry Griggs
Mother's Name: Frances Griggs
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Address:- 30 Martin Street

Actual date of birth (written in margin):- March 20th 1863

Father's occupation:- Mariner



???????


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry John Griggs
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 Sep 1875
Father's Name: Henry Griggs
Mother's Name: Frances Griggs
Parish: St Luke, West Norwood
Borough: Lambeth
County: Middlesex


Father's occupation Carman


Baptised same date and Place:- Susan Griggs

No birth dates given for them




or they may of course have died young:-


for example

Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)

GRIGGS Clara Ann Bermondsey 1d 43


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Clara Ann Griggs
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 20 Apr 1864
Age: 12 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Death Date: 20 Apr 1864
Parish: Nunhead Cemetery, Linden Grove
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey

Address:- 21 Martin Street, Bermondsey



I can't find deaths for Susan or Henry John though





sylvia

1881 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Newnham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: Newnham Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Baker

Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Teynham

Henry Griggs 46
Frances Griggs 50 b.ca 1831, Hern Hill, Kent
Frances Emma Griggs 21 b.ca 1860, Bermondsey
Henry Thos. Griggs 20 b.ca 1861, Bermondsey, Baker
Sarah Jane Griggs 14 b.ca 1867, Bermondsey
Rhoda Annie Griggs 10 b.ca 1871, Newnham, Kent
Frederick Stephen Griggs 8 b.ca 1873, Newnham
Eliza Sebinah Griggs 6 b.ca 1875, Newnham
William Marsh 26 b.ca 1855, Margate, kent, Visitor, Butcher



sylvia

Thanks Sylvia, it looks my family, thank you,, Kathy

This may well be Henry in 1851 ... he's down as a Journeyman Baker


1851 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Stephen
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Port Poole Lane, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Margate St John The Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Minster

Stephen Griggs 42 b.ca 1809, Margate, Kent, Ag Lab
Ann Griggs 47 b.ca 1804, Margate
William Griggs 18 b.ca 1833, Benpton Street, Middlesex, Journeyman Shoemaker
Henry Griggs 16 Journeyman Baker
Eliza Griggs 14 b.ca 1837, Margate, Dressmaker (apprentice)
Mary Griggs 12 b.ca 1839, Margate
Ann Griggs 7 b.ca 1844, Margate


and possibly in 1841

1841 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: St John The Baptist Margate
Hundred: Ringslow
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Isle of Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate

Stephen Griggs 30 Ag Lab
Ann Griggs 35
Thomas Griggs 10
William Griggs 5
Henry Griggs 5
Eliza Griggs 4
Mary Griggs 2

Address:- Westbrook



sylvia

Gee where did they get the surname of Milgate from, but otherwise yes it seems to be my family here as well.
thanks Kathy

Yes thanks Sylvia, this is the family, now just to find who Stephen and Ann are, and what happened to them. Gee you are moving fast finding them, now I have so much to enter into the computer, thank you so much,. I finally have family to write up, properly. This is my Henry aged only 5 years old, cheers Kathy

Hi, yes I was told there was a child called Clara who died, as when Sarah Jane fell pregnant and and had a daughter she was called Clara Ann,, this Clara Ann was raised as the child of Henry and Frances the grandparents, we were told this is the reason the family came to Australia because of the illegitimate child of Sarah Jane Griggs, Clara Ann was only 4 when she came out, with the family. thanks again

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from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org ..... the Mormon site, which is free to use

Go to the Home page, click on Advanced Search, then scroll down to International Genealogical Index

These are extracted records, taken from the parish register


But is it your Henry????


HENRY GRIGGS Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 17 JUL 1834

Christening: 14 APR 1837 Saint Johns Hawley Square-Wesleyan, Margate, Kent, England

Parents:
Father: STEPHEN GRIGGS Family
Mother: ANN HEWITT

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C068481 1808 - 1837 0597065 (RG4 1810) Film 6906508 Film



same parents:-


THOMAS GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 21 JUL 1831
Christening: 11 MAY 1834 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England


WILLIAM GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 24 OCT 1832
Christening: 11 MAY 1834 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England



ELIZ GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 24 JAN 1836
Christening: 14 APR 1837 Saint Johns Hawley Square-Wesleyan, Margate, Kent, England





sylvia

This is a Submitted record on the I G I on ww.familysearch.org ....... which means that someone, probably a member of the LDS church has sent in the informaiton ...... and there is no backing documentation, so it is impossible to know how accurate the information is.

Please be careful how you use such submitted records ...................... don't add to your tree unless and until you can find the documentation!


STEPHEN GRIGGS Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN HEWITT Family
Marriage: 12 SEP 1827 St John, Margate, Kent, England

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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

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Source Information:
Batch Number: 8512332
Sheet: 01
Source Call No.: 1396001 Type: Film





sylvia

Other little bits that are turning up:-



Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Wm Griggs
Baptism Date: 1834
Parent 1: Stephen Griggs
Parent 2: AnnGriggs
Parish: St. Anne
County: Soho, Middlesex

Note on original image:- Born 1832



Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Thos Griggs
Baptism Date: 1834
Parent 1: Stephen Griggs
Parent 2: AnnGriggs
Parish: St. Anne
County: Soho, Middlesex

Note on original image:- Born 1831



sylvia

I have jsut found this site

you might find something on it .. otherwise, it might be useful to keep an eye on it!

www.kent-opc.org/index.html



I'm told by others that this site can be very useful

cityark.medway.gov.uk




sylvia

Yes it looks like them, I believe that this is Stephen and Ann Hewitt, not sure if it has 1 or 2 t's in her name, but I believe you found more of them,, any idea how I can find Ann Hewitt's parents, or who Stephens parents are, this is been a problem no one knows or heard who they even might have been, They had the christenings in St Johns, Margate Kent, so maybe there is a marriage there as well for Stephen and Ann, there are now lots of questions,,, Kathy

Thanks Sylvia, When I get a minute I will take a look at that site, you entered,,, well I see you found a marriage for Stephen and Ann, as well and now have more work for me to do,, which I will enjoy doing, lucky I have the weekend to do it all. thanks Kathy