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HI Sylvia, there seems to be some people with Ann Davies, not Ann Adie, married to Joseph Gilham. I am still trying to prove which is the surname for her. I have been swamped with family contacting me, and offering info, on a few family ancestors, only after 5 days of being on this site, I have got so much info, I can't believe it, I haven't had time to keep adding to my family tree, I have 2 members sent me photo of gr gr aunts, and uncles, but the one we can't find is, is it Adie or Davies,??? and still looking for it. thanks for everything,. talk soon, cheers Kathy

I can't find Ann Adie


It would be great to go back.

I actually went to one of the 3 villages in Buckinghamshire that my father's family originated in ....... they were all in a very close proximity to each other.

Unfortunately, the grave stones in the churhyard were all so old and caked with moss that you couldn't decipher the writing, and the church was locked. We couldn't find anyone in the village.

So it was a wasted trip from that point of view ........... we hadn't made any arrangements, and in fact hadn't even thought about going there until I suddenly realised that we were only about 10 miles away!


If you do manage to make the trip .......... plan it carefully, and contact the church in advance ...... many of the old records are no longer kept in the churches but have been moved elsewhere.



sylvia

thanks maybe another generation here, I may have to go on a holiday to Kent in England and see what else there is to find, I would love to go to the St Johns church,, and look through the records for it, Kathy

the only way to prove anything is with parish records ..... and you are like me, you have to depend on whatever is on the internet! It's impossible for us to actually visit churches, etc

Certificates are not available for these early births etc ..... registration started on July 1 1837 in England and Wales.

I suggest you just keep poking around on those 2 sites, google "parish records" .... and keep on asking on here


Do NOT though start a new thread or threads for these families ................. keep updating this one so that people can see what has already been found and don't duplicate the searches.


it is possible to change the title of your thread ... click on Edit in the header message, and the title bar will also show. Just add Update, p. 3 or whatever.

You will always be able to find the thread in My Threads (in the box headed Tools to the left of the screen)



There are probably relations still alive over there ..... try putting the names in the Search Trees box in the dark green band above ..... this will tell you if anyone on this site has them in their tree. Then you can send a pm (personal message) through GR to the tree owner.





sylvia

This is another of those Submitted records, with no backing documentation



Joseph Gilham Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 MAR 1801 Lenham, Kent, England

Parents:
Father: George Gilham Family
Mother: Anne or Mary

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




I couldn't see a marriage for him





sylvia

Yes again, the names Thomas and Sarah, being used again here,,, the dates fit,,, I wonder how I could prove it,, any suggestions.. Kathy

Hi Yes I can see the names that the Frances named her family with, Sarah, Ann, Jane, Emma,, all names she used for her own children,..,,, a huge family, I wonder if there are any family over there still,,,,, thanks Kathy

???????????????


possible for Ann Hewitt????????????

from the I G I on www.familysearch.org


Ann Hewitt Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 FEB 1804 St John, Margate, Kent, England

Parents:
Father: Thomas Hewitt Family
Mother: Sarah

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
I064088 Film





sylvia

Moving on to Frances


This looks like her in 1851


1851 Census

Name: Frances Gilham
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Hernhill, Kent, England

Civil parish: Sheldwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Boughton

William Jefferys 62 Landed Proprietor
Sarah M Jefferys 56
Sarah M Jefferys 19
Susanna Jefferys 15
Susanna Smith 53
Fanny Smith 52
Henrietta M Dane 47 Cook
Frances Gilham 20 Housemaid
George Austin 76 Footman <<< htis age could be 16 or 76!
Mary A Ashbee 14 Lady's Maid

Address:- Harewell House


and in 1841 with her parents


1841 Census

Name: Frances Gilham
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Hernhill
Hundred: Boughton under Blean
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Broughton

Joseph Gilham 40 b.ca 1801, Kent, Ag Lab
Ann Gilham 37 b.ca 1804, Kent
Sarah Gilham 14
Frances Gilham 11
Ann Gilham 9
Joseph Gilham 7
Charlotte Gilham 5
Jane Gilham 4
Emma Gilham 2
John Gilham 1

Address:- Hey Street



sylvia

Thanks Sylvia, When I get a minute I will take a look at that site, you entered,,, well I see you found a marriage for Stephen and Ann, as well and now have more work for me to do,, which I will enjoy doing, lucky I have the weekend to do it all. thanks Kathy

Yes it looks like them, I believe that this is Stephen and Ann Hewitt, not sure if it has 1 or 2 t's in her name, but I believe you found more of them,, any idea how I can find Ann Hewitt's parents, or who Stephens parents are, this is been a problem no one knows or heard who they even might have been, They had the christenings in St Johns, Margate Kent, so maybe there is a marriage there as well for Stephen and Ann, there are now lots of questions,,, Kathy

I have jsut found this site

you might find something on it .. otherwise, it might be useful to keep an eye on it!

www.kent-opc.org/index.html



I'm told by others that this site can be very useful

cityark.medway.gov.uk




sylvia

Other little bits that are turning up:-



Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Wm Griggs
Baptism Date: 1834
Parent 1: Stephen Griggs
Parent 2: AnnGriggs
Parish: St. Anne
County: Soho, Middlesex

Note on original image:- Born 1832



Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Thos Griggs
Baptism Date: 1834
Parent 1: Stephen Griggs
Parent 2: AnnGriggs
Parish: St. Anne
County: Soho, Middlesex

Note on original image:- Born 1831



sylvia

This is a Submitted record on the I G I on ww.familysearch.org ....... which means that someone, probably a member of the LDS church has sent in the informaiton ...... and there is no backing documentation, so it is impossible to know how accurate the information is.

Please be careful how you use such submitted records ...................... don't add to your tree unless and until you can find the documentation!


STEPHEN GRIGGS Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN HEWITT Family
Marriage: 12 SEP 1827 St John, Margate, Kent, England

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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

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Source Information:
Batch Number: 8512332
Sheet: 01
Source Call No.: 1396001 Type: Film





sylvia

????

from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org ..... the Mormon site, which is free to use

Go to the Home page, click on Advanced Search, then scroll down to International Genealogical Index

These are extracted records, taken from the parish register


But is it your Henry????


HENRY GRIGGS Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 17 JUL 1834

Christening: 14 APR 1837 Saint Johns Hawley Square-Wesleyan, Margate, Kent, England

Parents:
Father: STEPHEN GRIGGS Family
Mother: ANN HEWITT

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C068481 1808 - 1837 0597065 (RG4 1810) Film 6906508 Film



same parents:-


THOMAS GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 21 JUL 1831
Christening: 11 MAY 1834 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England


WILLIAM GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Birth: 24 OCT 1832
Christening: 11 MAY 1834 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England



ELIZ GRIGGS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 24 JAN 1836
Christening: 14 APR 1837 Saint Johns Hawley Square-Wesleyan, Margate, Kent, England





sylvia

Hi, yes I was told there was a child called Clara who died, as when Sarah Jane fell pregnant and and had a daughter she was called Clara Ann,, this Clara Ann was raised as the child of Henry and Frances the grandparents, we were told this is the reason the family came to Australia because of the illegitimate child of Sarah Jane Griggs, Clara Ann was only 4 when she came out, with the family. thanks again

Yes thanks Sylvia, this is the family, now just to find who Stephen and Ann are, and what happened to them. Gee you are moving fast finding them, now I have so much to enter into the computer, thank you so much,. I finally have family to write up, properly. This is my Henry aged only 5 years old, cheers Kathy

Gee where did they get the surname of Milgate from, but otherwise yes it seems to be my family here as well.
thanks Kathy

This may well be Henry in 1851 ... he's down as a Journeyman Baker


1851 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Stephen
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Port Poole Lane, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Margate St John The Baptist
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Margate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Minster

Stephen Griggs 42 b.ca 1809, Margate, Kent, Ag Lab
Ann Griggs 47 b.ca 1804, Margate
William Griggs 18 b.ca 1833, Benpton Street, Middlesex, Journeyman Shoemaker
Henry Griggs 16 Journeyman Baker
Eliza Griggs 14 b.ca 1837, Margate, Dressmaker (apprentice)
Mary Griggs 12 b.ca 1839, Margate
Ann Griggs 7 b.ca 1844, Margate


and possibly in 1841

1841 Census

Name: Henry Griggs
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: St John The Baptist Margate
Hundred: Ringslow
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Isle of Thanet
Sub-registration district: Margate

Stephen Griggs 30 Ag Lab
Ann Griggs 35
Thomas Griggs 10
William Griggs 5
Henry Griggs 5
Eliza Griggs 4
Mary Griggs 2

Address:- Westbrook



sylvia

Thanks Sylvia, it looks my family, thank you,, Kathy