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my grandmother florence ivol married name flynn born 1918 blythswood glasgow ,married john kitchner flynn ,3 children annie ivol flynn ,john leslie watt ivol flynn,lawrence flynn who died in infance ,i know she will be dead but want to know where and when ,caroline

thanks for replys have tried edinburgh registrars ,geneology searches ,there is no records on florence after lawrence died in infancy in 1941 .caroline

Do you know when her husband died? I assume you would know, if Florence remarried, but maybe it's a possibility to check.

You did note brummiejan's suggestion that you contact other members who have Florence in their tree? (They may be known family members of yours, but you didn't say.)


Scotland's people shows one Florence Flynn marriage after 1935: 1954. I found that by trial and error; I don't have credits to view the results. It could be worth checking.

Although ... only one Florence Flynn was born in Scotland 1900 to 1940, so that marriage is probably Florence Jr, I imagine.

Hi Caroline,

Just for anyone's reference:

Scotlands People show the birth of Florence Graham Ivol in 1918 in the District of Perth, City of Perth. GROS Data ref: 387/00 0276.

Scotland's People show the marriage of:

Florence Graham Ivol to John Kitchener Flynn in 1939, in the District of St Clement, in the City of Dundee. GROS Data ref: 282/02 0040.

I cannot locate any deaths for her, so either Florence remarried or is not yet deceased or has passed away after 2009, any of these options of course are entirely possible!

Best of luck

Hi Caroline,

Someone in Ancestry has Florence in their tree with the following information:

Birth: 09.07.1918 Perth, Scotland
Marriage: 03.02.1939 Dundee, Scotland
Death: About 1975, Scotland

Parent's: Alexander Graham Ivol 1882 - 1947, Annie blair Watt 1893 - 1932

Florence and John's Children:

Annie Ivol Flynn 1939-1975
John Leslie Watt Ivol Flynn 1940 - 2003
Lawrence Flynn - 1941 - 1941

If this is not your tree (held in the name of Gregory Family Tree), I'd suggest that you contact the owner to see why they believe the death information date when it is not backed up by Scotland's People.

Note that this tree states that John Kitchener Flynn died 19.09.1991 - who was the informant on his death certificate? You may be able to sight some useful information off that if you request a copy. Florence may well have still been alive at that time.

many thanks to all whove tried to help me i do appreciate it very much ,i help other too its just mine i cant find lol.
all ivols on the boards have been contacted a few are my family and know nothing more than me.
john kitchner flynn died with me at home in 1991 his wife was last heard of by records in 1941 at perth when she gave birth to lawrence who died in infancy of blood poisoning .we cannot find any records of remarring or death .all i have found out is she was deaf and records state lawrences father as john kitchner flynn this is not so as my father born 1940 john leslie watt ivol flynn was left at the maternity hospital and john kitchner flynn had not seen his wife after leaving for the army prior to his son johns birth.nz house in 1975 contacted my father re will of annie ivol diamond a spinster leaving no will ,this passed his mother florences graham ivol or flynn to her children as an indemity policy had been cashed on her death but no details of where and by whom ?

I'm afraid I find this confusing!

John Kitchner Flynn was your grandfather, married to Florence Ivol.

Your father was John Leslie Watt Ivol Flynn, son of that couple, who was left at the maternity hospital.

But John Kitchner Flynn was with you when he died, so he had reared son John LWI Flynn?

Florence had another child after John, Lawrence Flynn, who died in infancy. He was registered as a child of the Flynn-Ivol marriage, but he was not in fact the son of John Kitchner Flynn.

So Florence and John K Flynn were separated at or around the time of the birth of John LWI Flynn.

Last news of Florence was the birth/death of son Lawrence.

My (educated) guess would be that Florence partnered with someone else (but did not marry because her husband was living and divorce wasn't realistically possible).

And that her death is registered under the surname of her partner, whose surname she would have used publicly.

For deaths in England/Wales after 1969, we can search by given name and exact date of birth, to find possible matching deaths that can be investigated.

Scotland's People doesn't give that option, so I'm not sure what might be possible. I wonder whether she might have had another child or children, registered under the father's surname. Her surname, Ivol, is unusual enough that if a search by mother's surname could be done, that could be investigated too. Unfortunately, I don't think SP gives that option either.

I don't really follow the insurance policy business. Annie Ivol Diamond was Florence's sister? Not if she was a spinster, I guess, or her name would have been Ivol. An aunt or some such?


Caroline, I wonder whether you'd hit that "Enter" key a couple of times between thoughts, to space things out and make them easier to follow (as I did here). Capital letters on names really help too.

my father john leslie watt ivol flynn and his sister annie ivol flynn were given up in 1940 my father a new born his sister 1 yr.

john kitchner flynn did not bring up any of his children but showed up in old age and we looked after him till he died in 1991.

annie ivol diamond was an aunt of florence and thru her will from nz the information assuming florences death in 1975 was given to my father.

my father and mother both mormon activley searched and could not find a death record or divorce ,re marrige of florence dead ends. also florence ivol and john kitchner flynn were married by proxy in 1939

I've replied to both your PMs, Caroline -- as I said, I'll hunt up our Scottish specialist in the next couple of days and get him to take a look!

I dunno though ... if Mormons couldn't find a trace ... ! ;)

Caroline, AmazingGrace08 said:

Scotlands People show the birth of Florence Graham Ivol in 1918 in the District of Perth, City of Perth. GROS Data ref: 387/00 0276.

I did a search for deaths with given names Florence Graham 1941-2009, and there are 9 results.

I'd suggest you check them out, as one of them *could* be your Florence.

had a look at scotlands people these are not my florence graham flynn nee ivol .


have spoken to her sisters children and all her family seem to have lost contact with her after she left home.

many thanks everybody.

If Florence died in Scotland, you would still expect her death to be indexed using her maiden surname as well as whatever surname she was using when she died. In Scotland the names of the deceased parents, including the mother's maiden surname are recorded on the entry, provided the informant knew the details.

Do you have a copy of her birth entry that was recorded in Blytheswood, Glasgow? Well perhaps not as there doesn't seem to be one registered there in that year. There is a birth registered in 1918 for Florence Ivol but without using a credit, I can't tell you where in Scotland it was, only that it wasn't Glasgow, Blytheswood!

Hi rootgather,

I spent a couple of credits and found the entry already for Caroline, and as advised the birth was in Perth.

Caroline, I'm still looking I haven't given up yet!

hi grace 1918 perth is correct ,her family lived at blytheswood at some point ,

last recorded entry my father and others who have looked could find was the birth of lawrence and his death in 1941 perth scotland ,

after this date she seems to have fallen of the radar ,can it perhaps be she assumed another name of a partner.
or did she emigrate?

we know no record of divorce or 2nd marrige ,i even wondered if she had any other children as she was only 22 when lawrence was born and her death year is suspected to be 1975 due to a cashed indemnity policy (which we have no information on )
this was traced by nz high commission.

John did divorce Florence.

Reference Title Date
CS258 Court of Session: Unextracted Processes, 4th arrangement 1935-1994

Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference CS258/8888
Title John K Flynn v Florence G Ivol or Flynn: Divorce
Dates 1943
Access status Open

Description 1941
325
Level Item



If you contact The National Archives of Scotland, they will give you a cost for providing photocopied details of the divorce.


The above can be viewed here.

http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

many thanks i have contacted edinburgh to order a copy ,this puts a whole new light on florence graham ivol married name flynn.

she may have re married and that is why we have found no death records.

thank you to rootgatherer this is a fresh lead in the hunt for what happened to my grandmother and our family are gratefull for all the help given by all .

im totally made up as it may not be a dead end like we thought .
caroline

just had a message today to tell me florence graham flynn born july 1918 died in thanet kent 1983 .
i will have to purchase death certificate and look into this further ,but if this is so a trip to kent will be on the cards for next year .caroline

And none of us thought to look in England for her death? I'm surprised and embarrassed.

The details for info:

Name: Florence Graham Flynn
Birth Date: 8 Jul 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: 1983
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1773

Hopefully, the death certificate will give you something that will help to find information about her later life.

deleted, following a false trail unfortunately.

i will await certificate arriving prob just over a week and last known address should be on that .

next serch will be to find if i have any family in kent ,children of florence and their children my cousins.

if i find florence has been buried then i will take heather from my fathers grave to plant on hers .

i cant thank everyone enough for all the help ,i made a promise to my father before he died jan 2003 to keep looking for his family dead or alive .
without all your help this would not have been possible.

caroline xx