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Hi
I'm trying to help my partner trace his tree as a surprise for his parents.
The man I am stuck on is Charles L Grass. I have him on the 1901 census, aged 44, born abt 1857, gamekeeper, born in Gifford, Scotland.
Thats where I am having problems. I have never traced anyone in Scotland and am having problems finding his birth or his family.
Gifford is in East Lothian, I believe, but I cant seem to find BMD's for this area. Can anyone point me in the right direction and help me look in the right places please?
We think he had a sister called Sarah L.
Many thanks for any help. We are just off to see if we can find any photos whilst hi parents are out so please be patient if I dont reply straight away.

Mandy

I see he was living in England:

1901 England Census

Name: Charles L Grass
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Gifford, Scotland

Civil parish: Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: Eaton St Denis
Town: Eaton
County/Island: Leicestershire

Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Sub-registration district: Waltham

Charles L Grass 44
Mary Grass 34 Where born: Cuckney, Nottinghamshire, England
Matthew Grass 7 Where born: Perlethorpe, Nottinghamshire,
Sarah Grass 2 Where born: Perlethorpe, Nottinghamshire,

well this one was born in Leicester!! 1881 - correct dob

John COOPER Head M Male 60 Keele, Stafford, England Carter
Ann COOPER Wife M Female 62 London, Middlesex, England Laundress
Charles GRASS Boarder U Male 24 Stathon, Leicester, England Gamekeeper


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Source Information:
Dwelling Seabridge Road
Census Place Keele, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341647
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2701 / 39
Page Number 14

Might be his marriage - this would give you father's name:

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Grass Charles L Worksop 7b 38A
HARVEY Mary Worksop 7b 38a

Full name on 1911:

GRASS, Charles Lloyd Head Married
20 years M 54 1857 Estate Gamekeeper Scotland Yester Resident VIEW
GRASS, Mary Wife Married F 43 1868 Notts Cuckney VIEW
GRASS, Matthew Son Single M 17 1894 Worker On Farm Agricultural Labourer Notts Perlethorpe Ollerton VIEW
GRASS, Sarah Lloyd Daughter Single F 12 1899 Notts Perlethorpe Ollerton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20272 Reference:
RG14PN20272 RG78PN1214 RD427 SD4 ED14 SN202

Registration District:
Worksop Sub District:
Carburton Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Carburton

Address:
Piper Lane Lodge Ccarburton Newark County:
Nottinghamshire

CHARLES LOYD GRASS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 20 MAR 1857 Yester, East Lothian, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW GRASS Family
Mother: AGNES GRASS


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

1881

Matthew GRASS Head M Male 49 Brandon, Suffolk, England Game Keeper
Agnes GRASS Wife M Female 49 Scotland Game Keeper Wife
Sarah L. GRASS Daur U Female 17 Scotland Game Keeper Daur


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Source Information:
Dwelling Eaton Lodge
Census Place Eaton, Leicester, England
Family History Library Film 1341760
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3184 / 81
Page Number 2

Thanks everyone. I will try Scotland's people, thanks Alex.
Thanks for the census info Jan.
And thank you Ann for the Leicester link, I may have a Belvoir, leicester connection elsewhere so this may be well worth looking into. We found a Charles Grass at Belvoir aged 11 in the 1901 census, born in caburton, was the nephew of Sarah Rudkin, born in Gifford who we believe to be Charles L Grass' sister. mmmmmmm.......

From Scotland'sPeople

1857 GRASS CHARLES LOYD M YESTER OR GIFFORD /EAST LOTHIAN

Born 20/03/1857 at Blawearie......son of Matthew (Gamekeeper) and Agnes Grass ms also Grass

Birth for Sarah

1863 GRASS SARAH LYOD F YESTER OR GIFFORD /EAST LOTHIAN

Born 13/06/1863.......same names for parents

Parent's marriage 24/04/1854 Flintshire Water

Truly stunned by peoples help. can't believe you could all find that info so quickly. Got so much to go on now. Ann - amazing!! Aileen thank you for that info xx
Thank you, thank you thank you.
Off out to see if we can get some pics of the grass family. back later.
Mandy

Marriages Jun 1854

Grass Agnes Holywell 11b 551
Grass Matthew Holywell 11b 551

? Possible for Agnes 1851 Scotland

Name: Agnes Grass
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Petcairn, Perthsire.....(? Pitcairn Perthshire)
Parish Number: 436
Civil parish: Kilconquhar
Town: Colinsburgh
County: Fife
Address: Colinsburgh
Occupation: House Servant
ED: 2
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 37
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_90
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Gordon 43
Jessie Gordon 29
John Gordon 8
Isabella Gordon 4
Robert Gordon 1
Agnes Grass 18

Would you believe this is them in 1861......lol

Name: Mathew Genes
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 725
Registration district: Yester
Civil parish: Yester
County: East Lothian
Address: Blawearie
Occupation: Gamekeeper
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_135
Household Members:
Name Age
Mathew Genes 29
Agnes Genes 28
Charles L Genes 6
Emma Genes 2

Agnes' place of birth is given as Redgorton....( that's not far from Pitcairn)

Birth for Emma

1859 GRASS EMMA F YESTER OR GIFFORD /EAST LOTHIAN 725/00 0008

Edit

Death for Emma

Name: Emma Grass
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 16
District: Melton Mowbray
County: Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire

1841 census for Agnes

Name: Agnes Gross
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Perthshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Redgorton
County: Perthshire
Address: Piteairn
Parish Number: 390
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Gross 37............born England (Gamekeeper)
Amey Gross 35.............born England
Thomas Gross 14......born England
John Gross 13.........born England
Harriet Gross 11
Agnes Gross 9
Elizabeth Gross 7
William Gross 5
Hanah Gross 3
Amey Gross 1

Births for some of the Grass Chidren....mother's name was actually Emma not Amey

01/05/1830 GRASS HARRIOT JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

11/04/1832 GRASS AGNES JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

01/07/1834 GRASS ELISABETH JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

16/06/1836 GRASS WILLIAM JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS M REDGORTON /PERTH

05/06/1838 GRASS HANNAH JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

30/06/1840 GRASS EMMA JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

17/01/1843 GRASS MARY JAMES GRASS/EMMA EDWARDS F REDGORTON /PERTH

It would seem several of Agnes siblings remained in Scotland

1891 census

Name: Emma Grass
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Redgorton, Perthshire
Registration Number: 413
Registration district: Carnbee
Civil parish: Carnbee
County: Fife
Address: Balcaskie East Lodge
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_125
Household Members:
Name Age
Janass Grass 42.........should read James born Carnbee
James Grass 14
Robert Grass 12
Jane Grass 10
Johan Grass 6
Imma Grass 5
Harriet Grass 60
Emma Grass 49

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EMMA GRASS Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 17 MAR 1859 Yester, East Lothian, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW GRASS Family
Mother: AGNES GRASS
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

HARRIOT GRASS Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 10 MAR 1830

Christening: 01 MAY 1830 Redgorton, Perth, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: JAMES GRASS Family
Mother: EMMA EDWARDS
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.