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There are several marriages for Mary Allsopp between 1874 and 1881 in Derby so maybe she married.

They're together in 1861.

1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Allsop
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Hanbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Vernon 77 - widow
Charles Vernon 46 - son
John Hudson 41 - son-in-law
Ann Hudson 41- daughter
Elizabeth Allsop 11
Mary Allsop 8

Hi TootyFruity,

Yes I believe it is.

Elizabeth Allsopp was the sister of my 2x gt grandmother Mary. I'm struggling to find what became of Mary. She had an illegitimate daughter in 1874 and her little girl was brought up by Marys mother. I was hoping I might have found Mary with her sister Elizabeth at some point

In 1881 Elizabeth was living in Rivett Street Derby, next door to her mum and step-father John Hudson.

I am in the process of checking Rivett Street in 1891 now.

Chris

Is this Mary Ann's parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Allsop Elizabeth Derby 7b 698
HUMPSTON William Derby 7b 698
Kenton George Derby 7b 698
MANSFIELD Bessey Ann Derby 7b 698
MANSFIELD Betsey Ann Derby 7b 698

Not sure how this fits but here is the marriage for Edward Cockayne to an Elizabeth Ann Warren

Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Botham Emma Derby 7b 720
COCKAYNE Edward Derby 7b 720
WALKER Wilson Derby 7b 720
WARREN Elizabeth Ann Derby 7b 720

It would seem that Elizabeths maiden name was Warren, not too sure what the connection is.

The address Sacheveral Street isn't too far from where Marys mum was living in 1881.

Chris

Ozi, you are a star, thank you. Just mum to find now.

Chris

This looks like Mary Ann.

1891 England Census
Name: Mary Am Thumpstone
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 5 House, Court back of Sacheverel St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Cockayne 55
Elizabeth Cockayne 42 - wife; Handbury Wood End
Mary Am Thumpstone 8


Hanbury Woodend is only about 2 km from Hanbury.

Thank you for looking Ozi.

I have tried searching without putting surname in but had no luck. I don't understand why I can't find them.

Chris

No luck in 1891. Searched for both Elizabeth and Mary Ann.

Ozi

Hi TootyFruity,

Thank you for what you have found and thank you for trying in 1891

Chris

and here she is on 1911 census

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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WINSON, Joseph Head Married M 73 1838 Farm Labourer Duffield Derbyshire VIEW
WINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married
2 years F 63 1848 Hanbury Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20914 Reference:
RG14PN20914 RG78PN1247B RD435 SD2 ED43 SN376

Registration District:
Derby Sub District:
Derby Enumeration District:
43 Parish:
Derby

Address:
50 Leman St Derby County:
Derbyshire

Can't find her on 1891 though, may be its mistranscribed

Possible marriage for Elizabeth Humpston

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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HUMPSTON Elizabeth Derby 7b 749
SPEARING Edith Amy Derby 7b 749
VICKERS Samuel Derby 7b 749
WINSON Joseph Derby 7b 749

I'm hoping someone can find Elizabeth and her daughter in 1891 as I would like to know if Mary Ann had any siblings.

Thank you

Chris

Thank you for that info TootyFruity.

Chris

Arthur Siddals and Mary Ann on 1911 census

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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SIDDALS, Arthur E Head Married M 31 1880 General Labourer Nottingham VIEW
SIDDALS, Mary Ann Wife Married
11 years F 30 1881 Derby VIEW
SIDDALS, Elsie Daughter F 10 1901 School Derby VIEW
SIDDALS, Arthur Thomas Son M 7 1904 Derby VIEW
SIDDALS, Florrie Ethel Daughter F 5 1906 Derby VIEW
SIDDALS, Lucy Daughter F 2 1909 Derby VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20914 Reference:
RG14PN20914 RG78PN1247B RD435 SD2 ED43 SN348

Registration District:
Derby Sub District:
Derby Enumeration District:
43 Parish:
Derby

Address:
42 Percy St Derby County:
Derbyshire

Could someone please see if they can find Elizabeth Humpston in 1891. She was born in Hanbury Staffordshire c1850.

It looks like her husband William died in 1887 in Derby. I've tried but I cannot find her in 1891.

This is them in 1881


Elizabeth Humpston
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanbrozier, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Derby St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: 19 Rivett St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Humpston 42
Elizabeth Humpston 31
Robert Poyser 30
William Bromley 53

In the 1871 census their name is given as Hermpston but I found their marriage in Jun q 1870 Derby as Humpston.


1901

Elizabeth Humpstone
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Siddals 23
Mary A Siddals 20
Elizabeth Humpstone 51
Elsie Siddals 5wks

Arthur Siddals and Mary Ann Humpston married in Sept q 1899 in Derby.

I'm hoping a fresh pair of eyes will see what I've missed.

Thank you

Chris