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I would also like to add how greatful i am of all the information on Sidney none of our family know anything about him, i am greatful for all the army deatils of him and that he died in action in ww1 he died young so my great nan did not know anything about him as she was only a couple of years old this has been very much apericated by all my family as we are now looking through records to see where he was laid to rest as my mum would like to go there and pay respects to her Great grandfather Sidney

Thank you very much everyone who has helped it has been very much apericated by myself and my family


Lucy
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This may be the marriage:


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Tooke ... Labourer
Name: William Tooke
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: Louisa Gertrude Browell
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1892
Parish: St Luke, Deptford
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: John Tooke ....labourer
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Browell ....labourer

Address for both 1 ? Mary Ann Place, Canal Bank, Deptford

Witnesses:
Edward Newman
Mary Jane Newman.

Dea x

Bit of info on the Cemetery where Sidney is buried in case you do visit:-

Cemetery: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Country: France
Locality: Somme

Visiting Information: June 2010 NOTE: High level maintenance of the memorial will commence on 19th July 2010 and is expected to be completed by 31st July 2010. The Memorial will remain open to the public, however access will be restricted at times during the work. Access to the Visitor Centre is unaffected. The Commission would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused during this time. The Panel numbers (or Pier and Face) quoted at the end of each entry relate to the panels dedicated to the Regiment served with. In some instances where a casualty is recorded as attached to another Regiment, his name may alternatively appear within their Regimental Panel (or Pier and Face). Please refer to the on-site Memorial Register Introduction to determine the alternative panel numbers (or Pier and Face) if you do not find the name within the quoted Panels (or Pier and Face).
Location Information: The Thiepval Memorial will be found on the D73, next to the village of Thiepval, off the main Bapaume to Albert road (D929). Each year a major ceremony is held at the memorial on 1 July.
Historical Information: On 1 July 1916, supported by a French attack to the south, thirteen divisions of Commonwealth forces launched an offensive on a line from north of Gommecourt to Maricourt. Despite a preliminary bombardment lasting seven days, the German defences were barely touched and the attack met unexpectedly fierce resistance. Losses were catastrophic and with only minimal advances on the southern flank, the initial attack was a failure. In the following weeks, huge resources of manpower and equipment were deployed in an attempt to exploit the modest successes of the first day. However, the German Army resisted tenaciously and repeated attacks and counter attacks meant a major battle for every village, copse and farmhouse gained. At the end of September, Thiepval was finally captured. The village had been an original objective of 1 July. Attacks north and east continued throughout October and into November in increasingly difficult weather conditions. The Battle of the Somme finally ended on 18 November with the onset of winter. In the spring of 1917, the German forces fell back to their newly prepared defences, the Hindenburg Line, and there were no further significant engagements in the Somme sector until the Germans mounted their major offensive in March 1918. The Thiepval Memorial, the Memorial to the Missing of the Somme, bears the names of more than 72,000 officers and men of the United Kingdom and South African forces who died in the Somme sector before 20 March 1918 and have no known grave. Over 90% of those commemorated died between July and November 1916. The memorial also serves as an Anglo-French Battle Memorial in recognition of the joint nature of the 1916 offensive and a small cemetery containing equal numbers of Commonwealth and French graves lies at the foot of the memorial. The memorial, designed by Sir Edwin Lutyens, was built between 1928 and 1932 and unveiled by the Prince of Wales, in the presence of the President of France, on 1 August 1932 (originally scheduled for 16 May but due to the death of French President Doumer the ceremony was postponed until August). The dead of other Commonwealth countries, who died on the Somme and have no known graves, are commemorated on national memorials elsewhere.
No. of Identified Casualties: 72195

Wow this is great i can't believe it..............

Now i have some information on William Tooke, i would like to find out abput his parents, i know that is father was called John Tooke and was a labrorer, but do not know when his was born or his wife mother to William. I have looked for any records of William and his parents by drawing a blank any help or guidence of where to look would be much apreicated

Thank You
x

William Tooke was born in 1874 and was born in essex.

Need to know more about his parents i am currently searching parish records as well i am drawing a blank any one with any ideas or information?

x

I think we should all slow down. Lucy is very new new to all this, and us old hands are whizzing away like fury and expecting her to keep up with us.

Lucy, get a GIANT piece of paper and write down everyting that we chuck at you.

So, okay, you now want to concetrate an William and Louisa.

So let's forget the other side of the family for now, We can come back to them later. Does that sound to be what you would prefer?

One step at a time. But I see a few people have posted other messages, so will read them now.

Have you had a look on Freebmd for William's birth? Nearest I can see Essex is:

Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
Took William Orsett 4a 196

Jan

O.k i will slow down

Yes i would like to concentrate on William and Louise for now.

Thanks

William in 1891:-

Name: William Tooke
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Horndon, Essex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Labourer in (Tar) Factory

Condition as to marriage: single

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Newman 28
Mary I Newman 27
George Newman 6
Sarah Briggs 16
William Tooke 17

............Edward and Mary Newman were witnesses at the marriage!

Quite right madmeg - have you taken another 'deep breath Lucy ??

This is Louisa's birth (I believe) :

Births Sep 1870 ---------------------------------------------

Bromwell Louisa Gertrude Bedford 3b 298
..................

I think this is her in 1871:

1871 England Census
about Louisa G Bromwell
Name: Louisa G Bromwell
Age: 8 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 209
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Bromwell 25 ..................... Baker ??
Rebecca Bromwell 28
Harry A Bromwell 4
Louisa G Bromwell 8 months

At 42 Russell St.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1541; Folio: 184; Page: 31; GSU roll: 829787.

Dea x

Remember - one step at a time !!!

Dea x

Louisa in 1891?

Name: Louisa Bromwell
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedford, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Bedford
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Tavistock Place

Occupation: Dressmaker

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bromwell 43 - Coal Porter born: Dundle, Northamptonshire
Rebecca Bromwell 44 born: Hexton, Cambridgeshire,
Harry Bromwell 25 born: Bedford, Bedfordshire
Louisa Bromwell 20

EDIT:
same family in 1881:-
Name: Louise Bromwell
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Paul
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Harves St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bromwell 33 - Platelayer on Railway (looks like he could turn his hand to anything)
Rebecca Bromwell 36
Harry Bromwell 14
Louise Bromwell 10

Thanks everyone yes i have slowed down now and drawn up my family tree so i don't confused, i just did not think i would get so much information so fast, my family is quite large i have found out so it is a bit overwelming but i think i am getting the hang of it by looking at one generation getting as much information on that before i take a step further back.

I can't thank everyone enough for all the suppot and guidence

Thank You

Nice one Lucy !!

We are here to help and enjoy doing it but some of us can get a bit 'carried away' at times.

Digest what you have and come back with any further questions !!

Dea Xxx

Just a little word of warning, Lucy, you can find out lots of info from various sources but at some stage you will need to buy a couple of certificates to confirm that you have the correct people and the correct families. Errors are so easily made so any findings should always be backed up with hard evidence to make sure you don't go completely down the wrong path.

I have just been looking at the information on William Tooke and looks like he was a lodger with another family.

I think his fathers name was John,

But it gets harder when you look back to the early 1800s as records are unclear and the cen us does not exsits,

Any information on Williams Tookes father would be great,

I will also carry on searching through parish records

Many Thanks

xxx

Thanks Cathrine i have already purchased some birth and marriage certificates, to make sure i have the correct information,

So far everything is correct

Thanks

The birth for William Tooke that brummiejan found is the only one I could find also in Essex. In one of the census records he gives his birth place as Horndon and the reg dist. for the birth is Orsett which was the reg. dist. for Horndon on the Hill at the time so it does look to be the correct one. To make sure you get the correct census records you will need the birth cert. to make sure you have the correct father and it will also give you his mother's name and maiden name which will help find the correct marriage for his parents.

This is the only 1881 census I could see for a William Took(e) born correct time in Essex with father John:-

Name: William Took
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Bulven Fen, Essex, England

Civil parish: Pulham St Mary Virgin
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Sweetings Green

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Depwade
Sub-registration district: Stratton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Took 34 born: Pulham Virgin, Norfolk (Ag.Lab.)
Mary A. Took 36 born: Hempnall, Norfolk
James Took 12 born: Bulven Fen, Essex
Anna Took 8
William Took 6
Rosa Took 4 born: Starston, Norfolk
Florence Took 2 born: Pulham Virgin, Norfolk
John Took born: Pulham Virgin, Norfolk

................but you will need the birth cert. to confirm.

o.k i will pucrcahse william tookes birth certificate, so i can then get the correct information to go back another generation.

Thanks
xx

Same family in 1891:-
Name: John Tooke
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Pulham Mary, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Stradbroke
Ecclesiastical parish: Stradbroke
Town: Stradbroke
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Ag. Lab.

Registration district: Hoxne
Sub-registration district: Stradbroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Tooke 48
Mary Ann Tooke 45 born: Henmul, Norfolk
Florence Tooke 12
Alice Tooke 7
Johnny Tooke 4

............name is now Tooke with the 'e'.