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Any further feedback, Dorothy?

So please explain where the name Awcock has sprung from.....

You originally referred to Gwen's mother as Elsie May Awcock.........was the name MAY on the birth cert?

Also please say when Elsie died..........and under what name.

Do you know the names of Gwen's siblings? What surname(s) did they have?

Sorry, called away yesterday and at work now so just a quick one.

Gwen's birth cert shows her as Tester to Elsie Tester with no father named.

Lineham is not a known name. Elsie's relationships/marriages were Burtwell, Walker, Pearce and possibly Smitherman

Dot

Is this Doris's marriage, born earlier than known, or daughter of the other family ???

Groom's Name: Walter John Lineham
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Doris May Awcock
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1920
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Greenwich, Kent, England

The Ticehurst district birth is Elsie M ...........I've checked the image

This looks likely to be the birth of the Elsie on 1911 cnesus

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Awcock Emily Elsie Cuckfield 2b 147

Does Gwen have her own birth cert?

It would be interesting to know exactly what info it contains

Can't see the 1910 one in 1911....but there is ONE Elsie Awcock.....................

1911 census - household transcription
Person: AWCOCK, Elsie
Address: The Green Horsted Keynes East Grinstead

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AWCOCK, Owen Head Twice Married M 45 1866 Farm Labourer Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
AWCOCK, Martha Wife Married
15 years F 34 1877 Sussex Heathfield VIEW
AWCOCK, Rowland Son Single M 15 1896 Garden Boy Domestic Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
AWCOCK, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1901 School Sussex Dane Hill VIEW
AWCOCK, Cissie Daughter F 8 1903 School Sussex Dane Hill VIEW
AWCOCK, Elsie Daughter F 5 1906 School Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
AWCOCK, Charles Son M 2 1909 Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
AWCOCK, Martha Daughter F 1 1910 Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW

I deleted the marriage info when I realised it was already on page one..............

Check back to see the names of the males, then see that the 1911 info matches.

MMN = mother's maiden name.

This is the birth registration to which I referred........you could have found it yourself on freebmd

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Awcock Elsie M Whitmore Steyning 2b 447

There is, however, one other..............

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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AWCOCK Elsie [MW_] Ticehurst 2b 88


This would be more feasible for someone giving birth in 1927.........and it's in the right county

I'll see if I can find her in 1911

What is MMN Whitmore? Elsie was extremely young when she had Gwen but it was nearer her death when we realised just how young. Story goes that it was one of the gentry so Elsie was packed off to a home to give birth. That is probably why she resented Gwen.

Gwen always said that her mam was an Awcock and she just used Tester because she was unmarried.

Dot

What makes you think that this marriage is Rhoda jnr? Reginald and Florence are new names to me - although I admit to not having all of them.

And what did you say that the administrator did not like?

Dot

Where did the surname AWCOCK come from with regard to Gwen's mother?

Gwen is registered as Tester, with MMN Tester

Gwen was Elsie's child, the others - Doris, Rosina and Queenie - were Elsie's siblings.

Dot

This is Rhoda junior in 1911.........her marriage was posted for you on Page one.........

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MARTEN, Rhoda
Address: The Green Horsted Keynes East Grinstead

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MARTEN, George W Head Married M 43 1868 Laborour Bricklayer Sussex Uckfield VIEW
MARTEN, Rhoda Wife Married
13 years F 38 1873 Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
MARTEN, Florence R Daughter F 10 1901 Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW
MARTEN, Reginald W Son M 6 1905 Sussex Horsted Keynes VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5016 Reference:
RG14PN5016 RG78PN221 RD76 SD1 ED18 SN14

Registration District:
Cuckfield Sub District:
Cuckfield Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Horsted Keynes

Address:
The Green Horsted Keynes East Grinstead County:


NO births after 1911 for this couple

1911 census for Rhoda senior.......don't think it's been posted before


Person: AWCOCK, Rhoda
Address: Vaterbury Castle Horsted Keynes East Grinstead

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AWCOCK, Rhoda Head Widow F 65 1846 Laundress Balcombe Sussex VIEW
AWCOCK, Alice Daughter Single F 32 1879 Laundress Horsted Keynes Sussex VIEW
AWCOCK, Louisa Daughter Single F 28 1883 Laundress Horsted Keynes Sussex VIEW
EDWARDS, Charles Henry Boarder Single M 27 1884 Labourer Farm Iping Sussex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5015 Reference:
RG14PN5015 RG78PN221 RD76 SD1 ED17 SN53

Registration District:
Cuckfield Sub District:
Cuckfield Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Horsted Keynes

I've looked on freebmd, and there's only one Elsie M Awcock...........born late 1913, but with MMN Whitmore

Gwen was born in 1927.............Elsie would have been only 13/14, if, as you suggest, she was born in 1913

Thereby lays the problem. I believe Elsie was so I guess the rest were also but I keep drawing a blank.

Dot

Would the children have been registered as AWCOCK?

And in which years would they have been born?

Hiya

When I posted this thread I was not hopeful of any replies as I have posted a number over the years without any success so to have you two wonderful people coming back so quickly with so much info is absolutely terrific. I have been doing my family tree for a few years now and it is very much 'as and when' so I would have probably half-heartedly checked next weekend. However, Gael was kind enough to message me and it was then I found this wealth of information. So, Flick, please do not be so hard (or surprised) on those of us who do not return to check the replies straight away, and please do not stop posting replies as I, for one, am so appreciative of your time and effort.

I had already found a lot of this info but none of the names tied in with the ones I had gleaned from my 83 year old mother in law. That was until Gael came up with the marriage of Edward and Rhoda Tester.

My mother in law (Gwen) was illegitimate with a mother (Elsie May Awcock) who (on her death bed) said she had hated her all her life. Gwen certainly had a raw deal and was treated more like a slave than a daughter. As she was older than her siblings she had the responsibility of looking after them and had the belt buckle if they did anything wrong. Gwen’s siblings had a number of fathers who were around for a while so were a known quantity but Gwen was given the name Tester on her birth certificate and when she asked about her father and why Tester, her mother would say that she did not know who he was and Tester was just a name she made up as she was not married.

I am now confident that Rhoda Tester and Edward Awcock are the parents of Rhoda jnr so my next job is to find the link via Rhoda jnr to her children who include Elsie May (born in workhouse c1913) Doris, Rosina and Queenie.

Thanks to you both for all your help.

Regards
Dot

So Dorothy didn't return to check the replies.................why am I not surprised?