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Hi Patchem

Yes, this thread reaffirmed a lot of the stuff in my own tree. Pattern Evans (1836-1923) and her husband Benjamin Jaundrell (1834-1898) were my 2nd great grandparents. My line stems from their son George (1856-1910).

I have not been able to find Pattern Evans in the 1841 census either. Her mum Anne Wright (was Evans nee Rhodes is on there) with second husband Robert Wright and his children (plus Anne's youngest daughter Ann Evans aged 1 year). Anne's other children Enoch (1828), Maria (1829), Thomas (1831) and Robert (1835) are also conspicuous by their absence in 1841. They may be out there, badly mistranscribed, but I have had no joy finding them as yet.

Regards

Thank-you ChessterGB - I had wondered what had happened since 2010 and what the update would be about, but had not guessed that it would be useful for someone else.

All this has helped me too, so I thought I would say thank you all. :-) :-)

Wow girls - thank you sooo much!

Had one of THOSE days yesterday so didnt get on but I really really appreciate all that you have found! You are dogged in your determination to get to the bottom of something lol - which is only good for those of us less knowledgable!

Thanks again
Vanessa x

Sorry Choccy,

I seem to have missed that - it looks right to me.

I have also been wondering if Pattern could be Sarah ?

Not found any proof yet though.

Dea x

Dea, I think I found Ann in 1841 - step-daughter of Robert Wright - posted on page 1. Unusually, the relationship is on the image.

I am beginning to wonder if Pattern is on the 1841 as Sarah? Age is a bit out, though.

Well, just to 'finish her off' (so to speak), you might as well have the 1911 details:

BAILEY, George Head Married M 82 1829 Retired Coalminer Shropshire Dawley
BAILEY, Pattern Wife Married 8 years F 74 1837 Shropshire Ketley

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16015 Reference:
RG14PN16015 RG78PN988 RD348 SD1 ED1 SN158

Registration District:
Madeley Sub District:
Dawley Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Dawley Magna

Address:
2 Stirchley Lane County:
Shropshire

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Marriage:
***George Bailey 1901 Madeley Shropshire
William Collier 1901 Madeley Shropshire
*** Pattern Jaundrall 1901 Madeley Shropshire
Mary Alice Richards 1901 Madeley Shropshire

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Pattern Bailey
Name: Pattern Bailey
Death Registration Month/Year: 1923
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Madeley
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 733

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Unfortunately I still can't find her or Ann on 1841 ... dratt!!

I will take another look later.

Dea x

1861 England Census
Pattern Jaundrell Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Benjth Gender: Female Where born: Dawley, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Dawley Ecclesiastical parish: Malinslee
Town: Malinslee County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England Registration district: Madeley Sub-registration district: Dawley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 181
Benjth Jaundrell 26 coal miner
Pattern Jaundrell 24
George Jaundrell 5
Benjn Jaundrell 4
Marya Jaundrell 2
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1856; Folio: 23; Page: 39; GSU roll: 542878.

1871 England Census
Pattern Jaundrell Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Benjamin Gender: Female Where born: Wombridge, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Dawley
Ecclesiastical parish: Malinslee Town: Malinslee County/Island: Shro pshire Country: England Registration district: Madeley Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 159
Benjamin Jaundrell 36
Pattern Jaundrell 34
George Jaundrell 15
Benjamin Jaundrell 13
Mary A Jaundrell 11
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2751; Folio: 22; Page: 38; GSU roll: 835398.

1881 England Census
Pattern Jaundrelle
Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Benjamin Gender: Female Where born: Wellington, Shropshire, England c ivil parish: Shifnal County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England Street Address: 934 Snedshill
Registration district: Shifnal Sub-registration district: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Benjamin Jaundrelle 46
Pattern Jaundrelle 43
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2633; Folio: 109; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341633.


1891 England Census
Pattern Taundrell
[Pattern Jaundrell] Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Benjamin Gender: Female
Where born: Ketley, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Dawley Magna
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: The Finger
County/Island: Shropshire Country: England
Registration district: Madeley Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Benjamin Taundrell 56
Pattern Taundrell 54
Hubert Taundrell 12 grandson Hollingwood Shropshire
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2098; Folio 15; Page 4; GSU roll: 6097208.


1901 England Census
Mrs. Pattren Jawndrell [Pattren Jaundrell] Age: 64 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ketley, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Dawley Ecclesiastical parish: Dawley Magna County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England Registration district: Madeley Sub-registration district: Dawley ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 80
Pattren Jawndrell 64 monthly sick nurse
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2524; Folio: 21; Page: 13.

Thank you ladies-you have been working hard! :0)

We believe the Richard Evans/Ann(e) Rhoades marriage to be the correct parents of Thomas!

Potty, could I be so cheeky as to ask you to paste the census info that you have found for Patern/Patience - it would give us something else to work on.

Again many thanks for the continual efforts of all!

Vanessa x

I can find a Patience Evans but her parents are Samuel and Jane - baptism on IGI

Yes, Patricia, Patern/Patian is proving very elusive in 1841! I can find a marriage in 1855 to a Benjamin Jaundrell and find them on the 1861 and some following census but not the 1841!

A marriage for the parents of Patern:

RICHARD EVANS Pedigree

Marriages:
Spouse: ANNE RHOADES Family
Marriage: 05 FEB 1827 Wellington, Shropshire, England

I was also wondering about three marriages.....
but we still need Patern/Patience/Patian in 1841 under any surname

Vanessa,

I wonder if Ann married three times? I can find deaths and marriages that would tie in.

Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
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.>>>>>Evans Ann Wellington S 18 229
Peplow Ann Wellington S 18 229
WEST Edward Wellington S 18 229
>>>>>Wright Robert Wellington S 18 229

No Robert Wright of right age with wife Ann in Shropshire in 1851

Possible death for Robert:

Deaths Jun 1845 (>99%)
WRIGHT Robert Wellington Sp 18 161

Possible marriage for Ann Wright and Thomas Grainger:

Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)

Andrews Ann Shiffnal 18 269
Corfield Richard Thomas Evans Shifnal 18 269
>>>>>>Grainger Thomas Shiffnal 18 269
Latham Roger Shifnal 18 269
McDonald Ann Shiffnal 18 269
MCKENNOW Peter Shiffnal 18 269
POINTON Elizabeth Shiffnal 18 269
Smith Mary W Bromwich 18 269
>>>>>>>WRIGHT Ann Shiffnal 18 269

The marriage cert should list all Ann's previous surnames.

Thanks one & all for your time & efforts. I will follow up the leads you have given to see if I can find anything concrete.

Bed time for us upside downers, so thanks again & I will respond if any further information is posted.

Nite nite
Vanessa

Just in case you don't have this (Coalpit Bank is where the children are in 1841); none of the other children baptised there though:

THOMAS EVANS Pedigree
Christening: 22 MAY 1831 The Coal Pit Bank Wesleyan, Wombridge, Shropshire, England

Parents:
Father: RICHARD EVANS Family
Mother: ANN

Only Ann Evans of right age in Wombridge in 1841 - the image says step-daughter:

1841 England Census
about Anne Evans
Name: Anne Evans
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Wombridge
Hundred: South Bradford (Wellington Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wright 41
Anne Wright 32
John Wright 18
Mary Wright 15
Anne Wright 13
Cornelius Wright 9
Robert Wright 3
Anne Evans 1

Theres this 1841 with an Ann but no Richard.

Also 'Beaman' could be her parents?

1841 England Census
about Thomas Evans
Name: Thomas Evans
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Dawley Magna
Hundred: South Bradford (Wellington Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England


Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Dawley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Evans 35
William Evans 12
Thomas Evans 10
John Evans 7
Samuel Evans 4
Eliza Evans 2
Martha Evans 5 Mo
John Beaman 70
Martha Beaman 65

Possible baptism for Patian in the 1851:

PATERN EVANS Pedigree
Female
:
Christening: 19 DEC 1836 Primitive Methodist, Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire, England

Parents:
Father: RICHD. EVANS Family
Mother: ANN RHODES

Hi Patricia & Potty

Yes, that is Thomas in 1851! Further digging in 1841 needed - using the other children to cross ref is a good idea - lateral thinking!

Thanks for all your contributions!
Vanessa