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Can any one help I am tring to contact any one who would know If there is such a name as Supper, This person lived in 182A the Grove London W.6. with a Mr Evan David Lewis, and Edith Whitehead.
Best Regards
Lesley

A quick search of people's family trees on here reveals 28 matches for that surname - so yes!
Jan

Yes there is a surname Supper

On 1911 census there are 24 with that surname

And then maybe if you gave us the full name and other details (like when they lived there), we could help figure out who it was, if that's what you'd like to do. ;)

Keep in mind that it depends what you are reading -- Supper could well be a mistranscription for Tupper, in particular.

For example, a Gertrude Supper married in Hammersmith in 1936, but there's no Gertrude Supper birth to match. The groom was Samuel Hirshman; possibly they were immigrants, although ethnicity/religion is no definite indication of that. Since there was a Hirshman-Supper birth, it could be the case here though.

There are very few Supper births at FreeBMD -- do take a look there for your person:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

At least half have ethnically Jewish / Eastern European given names or mother's surnames.

Hi Lesley, not sure if this is any help but I live close to the Grove in W 6 it is known as Hammersmith Grove unless thier is another Grove but I have lived in the area for 62 years.

not much infomation but may help along the line.

Good luck

Carol

Dear Carol
My Grandmother live in the Grove 1933 witha a man called Mr Supper. Edith was a short hand typist who had an affair with her Manager of the firm. She had my mother out of wedlock, We know that my Grandfather is Jewish. can you please give me any information your can.

Lesley

Dear Janey
My Grandmother live in the Grove 1933 according to the electral roll witha a man called Mr Supper. Edith was a short hand typist who had an affair with her Manager of the firm who was marrried.
Edith had my mother in Kensignton out of wedlock, We know that my Grandfather was Jewish and he was kind to pay for my mother untill she was 16.


Edith did not want my mother so a Foster family were found. Mrs Hillman took my mother in and there she stayed untill she go married 1954

I understand from Joan Hillman that Edith was marrid very very soon after.
can you please give me any information your can.

Lesley

Dear Jan
I am very greatfull for your help

Best Regard
Lesley

Dear Tootfruity
Many thanks for you help
Lelsey

Hi Lesley -- none of us here actually *has* information. We just have access to sources where information can be found, like FreeBMD (free to anyone), Ancestry (by subscription), etc.

If you are wanting to find information about this Mr Supper, you're going to have to give his full name! He is undoubtedly deceased now. Is his name not on the ER?

You're also wanting info about Edith Whitehead? Do you know (e.g. from your mum's birth certificate) whether Edith had a middle name, or what her age was?

It's not at all an uncommon name, but almost exclusively in Lancashire and Yorkshire. Given the location, there are two possible marriages I see in the London area shortly after 1933:

Name: Edith F Whitehead
Spouse: John P Jones
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Registration district: Hammersmith
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 853

Name: Edith M Whitehead
Spouse: Ernest S Ball
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 601

Again, they are undoubtedly deceased, but if we were to go forward to look for their children, that info would have to be sent to you privately as people born after 1935 are very possibly still living.

The marriage certificate that matched your Edith (by age/middle name, hopefully) would give you her father's name as well.


For Mr Supper, there are these three possible deaths in the London area after 1949 (when your mum was 16) for someone who might be the right age:

Name: Henry H Supper
Death Registration Month/Year: 1967
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 462

Name: Charles Supper
Death Registration Month/Year: 1950
Age at death (estimated): 61
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 265

Name: Henry Supper
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1889
Death Registration Month/Year: 1972
Registration district: Hampstead
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1649

That last one married in 1919 and/or 1924, I would guess; I don't see marriages for the others. I also see a Mr Supper who married a divorced woman in 1953 in the London area, who would therefore have been an older person as well; I see no death for him so won't put the details here.


All would have been in their 40s-ish when your mother was born.

HI

do you have your mother's birth certificate? if not it would be worth getting it. maybe her father's name is mentioned.

was her birth registered as Whitehead?
if her father was paying money for her up keep doesn't her foster family know his name or was the money given anonimously?

does anyone know the name of the firm your grandmother Edith worked for?

do you think this Supper guy is the father or just the person Edith shared a house with?

The mum's birth was registered as Whitehead (a search at Ancestry finds it) so I would doubt that a father's name is on it. Not likely that Lesley's mum named him on her marriage certificate either, unfortunately.

The name Supper is so uncommon that it should be possible to identify this man -- I'm sure Lesley must have his given name from the ER -- ?

And the odds of one of those two marriages being the right Edith seem pretty high. Even if you have to buy both of them, Lesley, there's a good chance you can tell from the age of the bride whether one of them is your Edith, I'd think.

Dear Janey
I greatly appreciate your kind response, I have my mothers birth cert on my desk.
Mother was registered as Whitehead,
The father name is not mentioned
The mothers name E.Whitehead

According to this cerificate her address 182A The grove W.6


I did find information from the Hammersmith archives that
Mr Isaac Supper was also living there? it is a long shot could he be related

Dear Victoria
Great to hear from you I much appricate your kind help

Yes I have my mothers birth cert. the fathers name is not declared. Yes her name is Whitehead her Mother is Edith Whitehead. Yes her father was paying Mrs Hillman a child minder. Mrs Hillman died but she had two daughters one was Joan Hillman and the other Ivy Hillman. Ivy married Jack Pritchard.
Jack and Ivy to ward of my mother. Joan that is Ivy's sister and Ivy's dad live with Jack, Ivy and my mother in Ladbrook Grove and Syon Lane Isleworth.
Mr Hillman died 1954/55. Joan died in 1988 Jack died 1995and Ivy died in 2000


Ivy and Jack would not revel the name of her father. Joan memtioned that Edith was very young with long black hair. when she went to ask Edith about Rose. Edith said she was too busy as she was getting married and do not talk to lound as she didi not want anyone to know.

My

Hi Lesley. There's only one death registered for an Isaac Supper:

Name: Isaac Supper
Death Registration Month/Year: 1943
>>> Age at death (estimated): 82 = dob c1861
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 584


He seems a little old for the job. ;) -- He would have been about 72 at the time of your mum's birth. Also, he died before the support paid for your mum ended, but it might have been continued by family or his estate, by will.

There's no record of a birth or marriage in that name. I do wonder whether "Supper" might have been an anglicization of a surname.


For instance:

- an Isaac Supperstein married in London in 1903
- an Isaac Jacob Super married in London in 1906
- an Isaac Supera was born in London in 1888
- an Isaac Superchinsky was born in London in 1899
- an Isaac Superia was born in London in 1891

Another possible surname I see in various BMD records is Supak.


I would strongly suggest that you get the two marriage certificates that look like strong possibilities for being Edith's marriage and see whether there is any info there that could confirm one of them. I don't think you answered whether your mum's marriage certificate gives an age (no middle name, I guess) for your Edith.

This could be of interest, if perhaps Rose's father was a son of the head of the firm? (By the way, do you know what the nature of the firm was?)

The Henry Supper who died in 1967 was born c1892.

In 1901 there is this household:


Bloomsbury St George and St Giles in The Fields

Isaac Supper 27 (it's 37) - occupation Ladies Tailor, born Poland
Annie Supper 36 - born Poland
Lily Supper 16 - born Poland
Solomon Supper 12 - born London
Henry Supper 8
Mark Supper 5
Rose Supper 1
+ servant (nurse) and numerous boarders


- father Isaac
- son Henry matches the 1967 death record
- Henry has a sister Rose

That Henry would also have been in his 40s in 1933.

Just thought I'd add this possibility for Isaac:


Births Dec 1899
Superchinsky Isaac Whitechapel 1c 287


1901 in Whitechapel (mistranscribed):

Joseph Superchunitz 41 - slipper maker - born Poland
Annie Superchunitz 40
Deborah Superchunitz 19 - married as Deby Superchinsky
Sarah Superchunitz 13
Jane Superchunitz 8
Ephraim Superchunitz 5 - died 1927, indexed as Saperchinsky
Annie Superchunitz 4
>> Isaac Superchunitz 1

The household is in the 1901 as Superchinsky.


I don't see a marriage or death for Isaac Sup* to match.

Aha. Having found Ephraim's death, this is that Isaac's:

Name: Isaac Saperchinsky
Birth Date: 1899
Death Registration Month/Year: 1976
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 13
Page: 0524

I don't see a marriage in any similar name. Might he have used Supper as his public surname?

Another variant of the name:

Name: Abraham Supperchinsky
Spouse Surname: Stoller
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 499

-- the children of that marriage are registered as Saperchinsky.

Re Edith Whitehead being very young: this birth would fit rather well:

Births Dec 1916
Whitehead Edith M Mitchell Fulham 1a 440

Hammersmith was in Fulham reg dist.

And this marriage, that I noted on page 1, would be that person:

Name: Edith M Whitehead
Spouse: Ernest S Ball
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Registration district: Fulham
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 601

Children of the marriage born in Fulham in 1935, 1938 and 1942.

Births Dec 1908
Ball Ernest Samuel Fulham 1a 296

Name: Ernest Samuel Ball
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1908
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1984
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 12
Page: 818


Edith would have been not yet 18 when she married, if my birth-marriage match for Edith M Ball is correct. I wonder whether she might have fibbed about her age when she married, and thereafter? The birth and marriage details would be well worth knowing.

Her birth quarter was Oct-Nov-Dec -- people often kept their correct birthday, even if they or their family didn't know / misrepresented their year of birth, and a birthday might be matched to a death record. For instance, an Edith born 6 Dec 1914 (correct quarter) died in 2005 in Lambeth; an Edith Mary born 26 Sep 1912 (likely registered next quarter) died in 1977 in Hounslow.

Lesley, you have two of the children of the Whitehead-Ball marriage in your tree.

I'm not understanding why you seem to be unaware, in this thread, of the Whitehead-Ball marriage, since you seem to be adopting it for your Edith by placing children of that marriage in your family tree ...

Dear Janey
Many thanks for all you help, I am not sure that the Ball family is the correct link? I will look at all the information that has been given to me and may be the answer will come.

Best Regards
Lesley