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Ione

Ione Report 18 Jul 2010 23:57

I'm trying to find Robert Roberts, my great grandfather, he was at one time the youngest station master in the Country at Abercarn Railway Station. My grandfather was Richard Morris Griffiths, his son. I'd like to know if he had any siblings

patchem

patchem Report 18 Jul 2010 23:59

Any dates, please?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 18 Jul 2010 23:59

any dates known??



you may well know that Robert Roberts is not exactly an unusual name!


any more information that you have tucked away???

like his wife's name?




sylvia

patchem

patchem Report 19 Jul 2010 00:01

Richard M Griffiths is fairly common, also.

patchem

patchem Report 19 Jul 2010 00:02

Is the surname Roberts or Griffiths - if they are father and son?
Thanks

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:02

and how come his name is Robert ROBERTS and his son's name is Richard Morris GRIFFITHS



sylvia

patchem

patchem Report 19 Jul 2010 00:04

Kelly's Directory for Monmouthshire,1901
ABERCARN
......
Railway Station, Robert Roberts, station master

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:05

ooooooh


good find Patricia!!



I asked ancestry for a Robert Roberts living in Abercarn . and ti told me there wasn't one!



sylvia

patchem

patchem Report 19 Jul 2010 00:07

1901 Wales Census
Robert Roberts
Age in 1901: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Abercarn Ecclesiastical parish: Mynyddislwyn County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire) Sub-registration district: Mynyddislwyn ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 270
Robert Roberts 52 widower railway station master
Susannah Phillips 32 servant
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4968; Folio: 80; Page: 45.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:08

1901 Census

Name: Robert Roberts
Age in 1901: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abercarn
Ecclesiastical parish: Mynyddislwyn
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Mynyddislwyn

Robert Roberts 52 Widower, Railway Station Master
Susannah Phillips 32 Housekeeper

Address:- Railway Station House



sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:20

I can't find him anywhere else!




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:30

????????? Robert Roberts in 1891???????


1891 Census

Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Mynyddyslwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Mynyddyslwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Mynyddyslwyn
Town: Claurpluyf
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Mynyddyslwyn

Robert Roberts 47 Widower, Station Master
Edith A Roberts 20 b.ca 1871, Llangddel, Monmouthshire, Housekeeper
Banley J Roberts 18 b.ca 1873, Llangddel, Pupil Teacher
Susanah Roberts 21 b.ca 1870, Risca, Monmouthshire, Housemaid ***

Address:- Station House

*** Susanah's surname on the census image was shown as --do--, I wonder if she is the same Susanah who is Housekeeper in 1901?




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:35

yes, Susanah is the same person

1901 ................ b.ca 1869, Risca, Monmouthshire



sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:38

now we're stuck until Ione returns


note that the first requests for extra information came within 2 minutes of the post appearing!




sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 00:50

It looks as though Susannah is still housekeeper for Robert Roberts in 1911

from the free search ....... someone else may be able to look at the actual image


1911 Census

HOUSEHOLD ROBERTS ROBERT M 1844 67 Newport Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD PHILLIPS SUSANAH F 1869 42 Newport Monmouthshire





sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 19 Jul 2010 00:56

???
1871 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanhilleth
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanhilleth
Town: Aberbeeg
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Occupation: Station master <<<<<

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Roberts 27
Mary Ann Roberts 22
Edith Ann Roberts 6 months
William Thomas 20

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 01:00

1881 Census

Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mynyddislwyn, Monmouth, Wales

Civil parish: Mynyddyslwyn
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Station Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Ry Station Master

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Mynyddyslwyn

Robert Roberts 38
Mary Ann Roberts 33
Edith Annie Roberts 10
Brinley Thos. Roberts 8
Hannah Rogers 18


I'm fiddling aorund wondering if


a) Richard Morris was the illegitimate son of Robert Roberts

OR

2) if Richard Morris was really the grandson of Robert Roberts ....... ie, Ione has got her generations worng



But I'm going to give up


everything's too nebulous


If only she had stayed around for 2 more minutes!!!!!



sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 19 Jul 2010 01:00

1861 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbridge, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Mynyddyslwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Penmain
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: Newbridge Brook Row

Occupation: Railway Porter

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Mynyddyslwyn
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 50 - Coal Tipper; Llanfigail, Anglesey
Ann Roberts 45 - Llanddyfnan, Anglesey
Robert Roberts 17

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Jul 2010 01:01

Hi Ozi

Yep, I think that is him in 1871, with wife Mary Ann and child Edith Ann ..... fits in with the 1881



but I cannot find a connection between Robert Roberts and this Richard Morris


see my last posting above!




sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 19 Jul 2010 01:05

Hmmmm, look at this.

1851 Wales Census
Name: Robert Roberts
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Mynyddisllwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Mynyddyslwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Penmain
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Heol-y-Felin, Newbridge

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: St Woollos
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Roberts 45 - Coal Tipper
Ann Roberts 31
Robert Roberts 7
Margaret Griffiths 13 servant <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Williams 23 - lodger
Thomas Lawrence 20 - lodger
Robert Evans 17 - lodger

Although there must be plenty of Griffiths about!!!