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Just checked freebmd and an Alice Stirrup married a William Jones in 1859 so I guess the witness above was William Jones.

You might be right there Mary, didn't think of that. The certificate is difficult to read but it looks like Alice Stirrup and William Jones or James (his mark).

If he didn't originally marry Bridget,then maybe he would have said he was unmarried and that is how it was written.

Do you have the witness's to John and Louisa's marriage.

Maryb

Just had another look at the marriage certificate and it states John as a bachelor and Louisa as a spinster, so maybe not the right family???

The marriage certificate doesn't say 'deceased' so I'm guessing he was still alive in 1858. It does seem to fit with the family from Pudsey but how can I be sure.

Yvonne

Was his dad still alive on wedding certificate?

The 1871 census with Thomas Farrer(John) is a Bird Dealer /Poultry Dealer and his son Thomas 17 is a Butchers assistant so it still could be the same John.

So it all fits with the family from Pudsey don't you think.

Maryb

I now have the death certificate for Bridget Farrer (nee Salmon). She died 1 Mar 1855 at 29 Preston Street, Liverpool. It says she was the wife of John Farrer, Master Butcher. I also looked at the possibility that John married again and now have the marriage certificate of John Farrer and Louisa Walter - married 1 Aug 1858. John's address is given as Preston Street, Liverpool, but his occupation is given as Bird Dealer not Butcher. His father is shown as Samuel Farrer, Butcher. I can't find a Samuel Farrer on the censuses that fit with the dates. I still haven't found a marriage for John and Bridget so I'm beginning to think they didn't actually marry.

The John farrer born @ 1819 with Louisa born @ 1828 in Worcestershire,in 1861 it says he is born in Yorkshire.
1871 it says Padstow Yorkshire but when you look at original it could say Pudsey Yorkshire!
I have found this 1851 Bowling Yorkshire District 7 > 34.

John Farrar born Pudsey 1819 a BUTCHER.
He is with his mum Mary 1791 sister Maria etc,he is not with them in 1861 !!!

I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of Farrar as sometimes they just wrote what it sounded like.
For instance Jessop and Jessup are often miss transcribed,my mum was a Jessop and even in the same family they called themselves Jessup.

Maryb

The marriage in Liverpool 1858 John Farrer is deffinately to Louisa Walter,it shows the original.

EDIT All those Farrar born Pudsey were christened as Farrer be Samuel Farrer and Mary.

John Farrer christened 4/7/1818 Pudsey.

I think my only course of action now is to wait until the family member gets back from vacation and ask her where she got her info from and just see how correct it is.

Thanks everybody, you've definitely given me food for thought.

Yvonne

It looks like a strong possibility. The name is spelled the proper way but the ages fit from the 1871 census. The only difference is his birth place is given as Liverpool in the 1881 and Isle of Man in the 1871. Interesting!

Yvonne

1881 - gives them all born Liverpool

John FARRER Head M Male 53 Liverpool Butcher
Alice FARRER Wife M Female 56 Liverpool Butcher Wife
John D. FARRER Son Male 14 Liverpool Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Minshull St 3 Court
Census Place West Derby, Lancashire, England

I wonder ????

Marriages Mar 1866

FARRAR John Liverpool 8b 328
Goffey Alice Liverpool 8b 328
Nelson Andrew Liverpool 8b 328
Wilson Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 328

I've just been going through the censuses again. I can't find him in the 1851/61 but in the 1871 there's a John Farrar and Alice, with son John, living in Garden St., Liverpool. John is given as 41 and Alice 47, with the 4 year old son. That could fit with Bridget dying in 1855 and being in her 40's is late for Alice to be having a child don't you think.

I don't have any info on where John was born but the families from him onwards all lived in Liverpool.

Yvonne

There's this one but not Lancashire


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Marriages Jun 1869

**********FARRER John Bradford Yk. 9b 175
PRIESTLEY Mary Bradford Yk. 9b 175
Spencer Joseph Bradford Yk 9b 175
***********Waring Alice Ann Bradford Yorks 9b 175

I was just about to send another thread mentioning the B, because as far as I know his name was just John.

Yvonne

Wonder what the B stands for ?

Michael
It could be the second marriage but I don't have any info about her - I don't know if there were any children. The family member who gave me the info is away at present so I'll have to check with her when she gets back. It does look a strong possibility though.

Thanks
Yvonne

Is this John's 2nd marriage ?

Marriages Dec 1866

FARRER John B - Manchester 8d 133
FARRIER John B - Manchester 8d 133
Tattersall Alice - Manchester 8d 133

Okay, you may have noticed my new thread on this subject and my apologies to everyone.
The information I have on the birth certificate of Thomas is that he was born on 26 Nov 1853 to parents John Farrer, butcher, and Bridget Farrer, formerly Salmon. They were living at 71 Peter Street, Liverpool, at the time. I am told by a family member that Bridget did die in 1855 and John married again, they thought to someone called Alice. How accurate their information is I don't know.

Thomas (b. 1853) married Margaret Craig.

Thanks
\Yvonne

Please delete your other thread before things get complicated.
Thank you