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Brian

I think this is the parents marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
>>>>>>>>>>Bagnall Robert Sunderland 10a 425
>>>>>>>>>>Briggs Margaret Sunderland 10a 425
Fairless Margaret Ann Sunderland 10a 425
Nelson William Scott Sunderland 10a 425


The 1861 census has the Ryle couple living a couple of doors away from Daglish Briggs.............. now Daglish is in a couple of Robert and Mary's children's names.


Dee x

Here's Roberts' father and mother in 1861 prior to any children;

1861 England Census about Robert Ryle
Name: Robert Ryle
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle On Tyne Bykre
Civil parish: Durham St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Belmont
Town: New Durham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ryle 25
Margaret Ryle 26


I will try and see if I can sort out why the changing of the surname.


Dee x

Here you go;


Groom's Name: Robertum Ryle
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mariam Quinn
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1889
Marriage Place: St. Cuthbert'S, Durham, Durham, England
Groom's Father's Name: Roberti Ryle
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomae Quinn
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01881-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2082452
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973



Dee x

Hi Brian,

for some reason in 1881 the family were just using the Ryle name, as and why is any ones guess, but previously they were using Bagnall and then reverted back to Bagnall in 1891.


Dee x

If Robert marrried under the name Ryle, would that name not have to be used on the census for their children?

Hi Brian,

Yes your reply is the correct way.

Dee x

Thanks everyone.
I am new to the mesage boards so i hope this is how you reply.

Deleted ?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, .... and you're welcome.

Brian,

I think the marriage is on the message of 5th August 2010 21:53 just under the 1881 census.

looks like Robert married under the Ryle name.

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>> Brian has deleted, hopefully he's seen the marriage details now??


Dee x

Brian, you have a lot of explaining to do !! :)

Michael, re. married 21 years in 1911 - men and anniversaries you know??
Jan

Looks like Robert and Mary Quinn were in the same parish of St Giles in 1881 ... so i think we could be right Jan.

Dee, just saw your post - we might be right!
Jan

Oh dear so is this one!!

You need a child's birth cert possibly?

1881 England Census

Name: Mary Healy
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Aldershot

Civil parish: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Punch Bowl Yd

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington

James Healy 44
Mary Healy 40
Mary Healy 14
Margt. Healy 11
James Healy 7
Joseph A. Healy 2

Jan I think we cracked it!!!


Dee x

July in same quarter as Sept.

Maybe freebmd have it mistranscribed...
and yet there's that statement of being married 21 years by 1911.

So he's still in the area in 1881;

1881 England Census about Robt. Ryle
Name: Robt. Ryle
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Margt.
Gender: Male
Where born: Broomside, Durham, England
Civil parish: St Giles
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Carrville
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Iron Moulder
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ryle 45
Margt. Ryle 45
Joseph D. Ryle 19
Robt. Ryle 16
John W. Ryle 14
Thomas B. Ryle 11
George L. Ryle 9
Margt. A. Ryle 2


AND maybe married just using the Ryle surname??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
ERRINGTON Frances Durham 10a 523
GILL John Durham 10a 523
>>>>>>>QUINN Mary Durham 10a 523
>>>>>>>>Ryle Robert Durham 10a 523


Dee x

Looked 1881 for Mary's born aldershot and living in Durham. There are 2 with no middle initial:

Name: Mary Healy
Birth: abt 1867 - Aldershot
Residence: 1881 - Darlington, Durham, England

Name: Mary Quinn
Birth: abt 1868 - Aldershot
Residence: 1881 - St Giles, Durham, England

Noticed Mary born Aldershot barracks so might be this one as father (I think) is a pensioner, looks like sergeant??


1881 England Census

Name: Mary Quinn
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Aldershot

Civil parish: St Giles
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Belmont (Bridge Row)

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Durham

Thomas Quinn 49
Annie Quinn 40
Wm. Quinn 16
Philip Quinn 14
Mary Quinn 13
Edward Quinn 8
Robert Quinn 6
Henry Quinn 4

Must be Thomas and Mary 1911:

BAGNALL, Thomas B Head Married M 40 1871 Carrville Co Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Mary Jane Wife Married 12 years F 35 1876 Speennymoor VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29979 Reference:
RG14PN29979 RG78PN1733 RD551 SD2 ED18 SN314

Registration District:
Durham Sub District:
Durham Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Belmont

Address:
109 High St Carrville Belmont Durham County:
Durham