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I have the following information on my great grandfather and I was wondering if anyone could add to it. I am pretty sure through census records (1891 and 1901) that Henry/Harry was born in 1863. He is listed as being born in East London. He married my great grandmother Alice Louise Leakey in Plumstead in 1886...that's how I know it's him!! There is a Harry Clark living in Woolwich (near Plumstead) in the 1911 Census, born 1863, but I don't have access to these records. I can't find a birth for him, but I do know his father's name was John Clark (it's on his mariage certificate. You guessed it!!!! Too many John Clark's too!!! Can anyone help me??/ PLEASE!!!!!

Hi is this the 1911 census you were after

1911 ensus

Household information
Address 1 Olven Road Plumstead
Parish Plumstead
Town Plumstead
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 7 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN2892 RG78PN99 RD30 SD3 ED10 SN350
Administrative County London
Registration District Woolwich
Registration Sub District Plumstead West
Enumeration District 10
Householder 1
Name Harry Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Occupation MACHINIST SEWER SHELL
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Royal Arsenal R and Y Gun Factory
Place of Birth London Limehouse
Nationality British
Householder 2
Name Alice Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 25 Years
Total Children Born Alive 7
Children Still Living 6
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Woolwich Kent
Nationality British
Householder 3
Name Henry Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 24
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Occupation Cable Hand
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Western Electric
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British
Householder 4
Name James Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1892
Occupation Apprentice
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Vicker S and Marion
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British
Householder 5
Name Arthur Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1894
Occupation Apprentice
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Smart and Brown
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British
Householder 6
Name Alice Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British
Householder 7
Name Ena Clark
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British
Householder 8
Name James Scott
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 51
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Occupation Fitter
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry S N G Armstrong and
Place of Birth Bedlington North
Nationality British
Householder 9
Name David Morgan
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Occupation Chemist's Manager
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Parks Drugstores
Place of Birth Highbury London
Nationality British
Householder 10
Name Lily Morgan
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender F
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Plumstead Kent
Nationality British

Dear Jonesy,

Thank you for the information on the 1911 census....it is really appreciated

Dear Pollypoppet,

Thank you too!! Does anyone know where Limehouse is??

Thank you!

I will try further to discover his birth.

You are all wonderful in helping others. It is really appreciated

Joan x

It is a while since my last post. I now have Harry's death cerificate. He passed away in Lithgow, NSW Australia on 14th September 1933 aged 71 years. His father is listed as John Clark and his mother Annie Jenkins. I cannot find a marriage for these two and I cannot find any siblings of my Harry/Henry anywhere!!
Can anyone help please?

Joan, what where Harry and his father's occupations on the marriage cert. Also, what address was Harry living at when he married?

To answer your question above, Limehouse is East London, on the Thames.

Potty,

Harry and his father's occupations were labourers. His address is just listed as Plumstead on the Marriage Certificate.

His age at the time of marriage was 23.

Thank you for taking an interest an helping me

1901 census - household transcription
Person: CLARK, Harry
Address: 1, Houses Building, Olven Road, Plumstead
CLARK, Harry Head Married M 38 1863 Machinist (Rl Arsenal)
London
CLARK, Alice L Wife Married F 34 1867
Woolwich London
CLARK, Henry W A Son Single M 14 1887 Magazine Boy (Rl Arsenal)
Plumstead London
CLARK, Lilian L Daughter F 12 1889
Plumstead London
CLARK, Richard J Son M 9 1892
Plumstead London
CLARK, Arthur J Son M 7 1894
Plumstead London
CLARK, Alice M Daughter F 2 1899
Plumstead London
SCOTT, James E Visitor Single M 39 1862 Engineer (Mechanical)
Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland

1891 census - household transcription
Person: CLARK, Harry
Address: 51, Station Road, Plumstead
CLARK, Harry Head Married M 28 1863 Skilled General Labourer London
CLARK, Louisa Wife Married F 24 1867
Woolwich Kent
CLARK, Henry Son M 4 1887
Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Lillian Daughter F 2 1889
Plumstead Kent

Could Annie have been short for ...

Marriages Dec 1865
? Clark John Pancras 1b 343
? Jenkins Antonette Pancras 1b 343
MAHONEY Denis Pancras 1b 343
MANGAN Mary Pancras 1b 343
SHIEL Sarah Pancras 1b 343

For accuracy

Marriages Mar 1886
CLARK Harry Woolwich 1d 1092
LEAKEY Alice Louisa Woolwich 1d 1092

Thank you all so much for the information, most of which I have already. I have tried to find Harry/Henry in each of the censuses since his birth but to no avail. Can anyone do better?

You could be in for some fun if Antonette Jenkins is your woman.


1851

Name: Antionette Jankins (it says Jenkins)
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Where born: London, England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Actress

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town

Antionette Jankins 26
Emily Smith 22 - daughter, dressmaker, born Middlesex
Sophia Smith 25 - daughter, milliner, born Middlesex

The main household at the address is a lodging house keeper and his family.


Rather obviously, the Smith sisters are not her daughters. And the three of them are on different household schedules. And this could be one of fthose instances where dressmaker/milliner is a euphemism.


Marriages Dec 1846
Collins William Whitaker Lambeth 4 367
Drake Samuel Lambeth 4 367
?? Hamilton Antoinette Lambeth 4 367
Honner Eliza Lambeth 4 367
?? Jenkins Edward William Lambeth 4 367
Parker Hannah Lambeth 4 367

Joan, the point isn't what you have.

The point is that we don't have it.

For instance, you said Alice Louise Leakey. It was Alice Louisa.

We need to see the actual records of things to make sure they're accurate, and to see exactly what they say, e.g. that Henry/Harry married as Harry.

You presumably had Henry and Louisa in censuses after they married, but we needed to see what those censuses said.

Etc.


By the way, you presumably didn't have the John Clark / Antonette Jenkins marriage, and you didn't have anything to say about that suggestion.

"Can anyone do better?"

Well, I've spent the last hour or so trying.

When someone doesn't appear in records the way you expect them to, you have to consider other options. That's what I've been doing -- e.g. he was born before the marriage of John and Annie, under her surname ... her surname was a first married surname ... he was born to unmarried parents and "John Clark" is a fiction ... in that case, his mother might have married before the 1871 census and he could be recorded under his stepfather's surname, which is an unknown ... etc. etc. etc.

I'm sooooo sorry if I offended anyone......I didn't mean for YOU to do better than you are already doing....I meant better than I have done so far! Truly, it was not my intention to scoff at what you have done. I appreciate sincerely how much work you are all putting in for me. Here is what I have so far in addition to what has been mentioned already:

He is definately listed as Harry Clark Age 23 Bachelor, Labourer, of Plumstead on his marriage certificate. His father is listed as John Clark Labourer.
On Son Henry William Arthur's baptism certificate, Harry is listed as a labourer in the Royal Arsenal and the family lived at 24 Richmond Place Plumstead
When son James was baptised the family lived at 51 Station Road. His father Harry was listed as a machinist.
On Harry's Death Certificate his father is listed as John Clar no occupation and his mother is listed as Annie Jenkins'
I hope this helps..........x

Joan

Sorry I fell asleep last night after a long day.

I did find Harry's marriage on the London baptims though and all the info was as you said.

You have not offended anyone.
Some searches are straight forward and easy.
Some take a little more thinking through.
Sometimes it is the tiniest detail on a record that can give the breakthrough.
What Janey is trying to do is to help you to think outside of the box for the next stage.
Spelling was not a strong point for our ancestors and nor was awareness of date.
If you already have something such as certificates it is helpful to post it to help us search for you.

A SUMMARY OF DEFINITE INFO SO FAR IN 2 PARTS


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Lilian Louisa Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 1 Feb 1889
Father's name: Harry Clark
Mother's name: Alice Louisa Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
born nov 6th 1888
55 Maxey Road
father is a labourer


1891 census - household transcription
Person: CLARK, Harry
Address: 51, Station Road, Plumstead
CLARK, Harry Head Married M 28 1863 Skilled General Labourer London
CLARK, Louisa Wife Married F 24 1867 Woolwich Kent
CLARK, Henry Son M 4 1887 Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Lillian Daughter F 2 1889 Plumstead Kent

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
James Richard Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1896
Father's name: Harry Clark
Mother's name: Louisa Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Plumstead St John the Baptist
Borough: Greenwich
51 Station Road.
His father Harry was listed as a machinist.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Arthur John Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 17 Aug 1897
Father's name: Harry Clark
Mother's name: Louisa Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Addres ....a Place
father is machinist

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Alice Maud Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1898
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1898
Father's name: Harry Clark
Mother's name: Alice Louisa Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Plumstead St Margaret
Borough: Greenwich
1 Olven Road
father is machinist
born 22 nov 1898

1901 Address: 1, Houses Building, Olven Road, Plumstead
CLARK, Harry Head Married M 38 1863 Machinist (Rl Arsenal) London
CLARK, Alice L Wife Married F 34 1867 Woolwich London
CLARK, Henry W A Son Single M 14 1887 Magazine Boy (Rl Arsenal) Plumstead London
CLARK, Lilian L Daughter F 12 1889 Plumstead London
CLARK, Richard J Son M 9 1892 Plumstead London
CLARK, Arthur J Son M 7 1894 Plumstead London
CLARK, Alice M Daughter F 2 1899 Plumstead London
SCOTT, James E Visitor Single M 39 1862 Engineer (Mechanical)
Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Clark Rose Ena Woolwich 1d 1264



1911 Address: 1 Olven Road Plumstead
CLARK, Harry Head Married M 48 1863 Machinist Sewer Shell London Limehouse
CLARK, Alice Wife Married 25 years F 44 1867 Woolwich Kent
CLARK, Henry Son Single M 24 1887 Cable Hand Plumstead Kent
CLARK, James Son Single M 19 1892 Apprentice Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Arthur Son Single M 17 1894 Apprentice Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Alice Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Ena Daughter Single F 4 1907 School Plumstead Kent
SCOTT, James Boarder Single M 51 1860 Fitter Bedlington North
MORGAN, David Visitor Married M 32 1879 Chemist's Manager Highbury London
MORGAN, Lily Visitor Married F 22 1889 Plumstead Kent
Children Still Living 6
Children Who Have Died 1

Lillian
Harry W A
James richard
Arthur j
Alice maud
Rose Ena
plus 1

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Alice Louisa Leakey Name: Alice Louisa Leakey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1866
Father's name: James Leakey
Mother's name: Anne Leakey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
born Oct 21
Old general HospitAL
private military trainer?

1881 census - household transcription
Person: LEAKEY, Louisa
Address: 10, St Marys St, Woolwich
LEAKEY, James Head Married M 47 1834 Labourer
Churchill
Somerset
LEAKEY, Mary A Wife Married F 32 1849
Woolwich
Kent
LEAKEY, Henry Son Single M 16 1865 Labourer
Montreal
America
LEAKEY, Louisa Daughter Single F 14 1867
Woolwich
Kent
LEAKEY, Arthur Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Woolwich
Kent
LEAKEY, Edward Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Woolwich
Kent
LEAKEY, Frederick Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Woolwich
Kent

Marriages Mar 1886
CLARK Harry Woolwich 1d 1092
LEAKEY Alice Louisa Woolwich 1d 1092

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Harry Clark Name: Harry Clark
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Alice Louisa Leakey
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jan 1886
Parish: St Nicholas, Plumstead
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: John Clark
Spouse Father Name: James Leakey
witnesses were James Leakey
Florence Eliza (Cooke?)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Henry William Arthur Clark
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1887
Father's name: Harry Clark
Mother's name: Alice Louisa Clark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich Holy Trinity
Borough: Greenwich
Harry is listed as a labourer in the Royal Arsenal
24 Richmond Place Plumstead

Some interesting findings to consiret

maybe?
1881 Address: 67, Walmer Rd, Plumstead
SMITH, Richard I Head Married M 23 1858 Grocer & Cheesemonger
London Middlesex
SMITH, Clara A Wife Married F 20 1861 Plumstead Kent
CLARKE, Henry Apprentice Single M 17 1864 Grocer & Cheesemonger Apprentice
London Middlesex

or
1881 Address: 35, (Lodging House), Flower & Dean St, Spitalfields
REDDIN, Richard Head Married M 28 1853 Hawker Dover Kent
REDDIN, Susannah Wife Married F 25 1856 Hawker Woolwich Kent
MITCHELL, Peter Lodger Single M 18 1863 Cabinet Maker Islington Middlesex
BURGESS, Arthur Lodger Single M 29 1852 French Polisher Reading Berkshire
ANDERSON, William Lodger Single M 29 1852 Harness Maker WorthingSussex
LANE, Edward Lodger Single M 40 1841 Hawker Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
CLARK, Henry Lodger Single M 20 1861 Dock Laborer Stepney Middlesex
(Limehouse was created from Stepney)

wonder if this one is connected

1881 census - household transcription
Person: CLARK, Charles James
Address: 1, Richmond Pl, Plumstead
CLARK, William Head Married M 49 1832 Impression Taker Royal Arsenal
Chittenham Gloucestershire
CLARK, Caroline Wife Married F 43 1838 Dressmaker
Chittenham Gloucestershire
CLARK, Charles James Son Single M 17 1864 Errand Boy
Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Margaret S Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Caroline Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Albert E Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Plumstead Kent
CLARK, Ada Lousia Daughter Single F 3 1878 Scholar
Plumstead Kent

1881 census - address transcription
Address: 2, Richmond Pl, Plumstead
21 CLARKE, John Head Married M 46 1835 Arsenal Laborer
Clapham Surrey
21 CLARKE, Jane Wife Married F 44 1837 Dressmaker
Lowestoft Suffolk
21 CLARKE, Jane Daughter Single F 21 1860 Dressmaker
Woolwich Kent
21 CLARKE, Clara Daughter Single F 18 1863 Domestic Servant
Woolwich Kent
21 CLARKE, Julia Daughter Single F 17 1864 Domestic Servant
Woolwich Kent
21 CLARKE, John Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar
Plumstead Kent
21 CLARKE, Henry Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Plumstead Kent
21 CLARKE, Benjamin Son Single M 3 1878
Plumstead Kent


1891 census - address transcription
Address: 1, Richmond Place, Plumstead, N
198 CLARK, William Head Married M 59 1832 Impression Taker Arsenal
Cheltenham Gloucestershire
198 CLARK, Caroline Wife Married F 52 1839
Cheltenham Gloucestershire
198 CLARK, Caroline Daughter Single F 17 1874
Plumstead Kent
198 CLARK, Albert E Son Single M 15 1876
PlumsteadKent
198 CLARK, Ada L Daughter F 13 1878 Scholar Plumstead

1891 census - address transcription
Address: 2, Richmond Place, Plumstead, N
199 CLARKE, John Head Married M 58 1833 Pensioner From R A
Clapham Surrey
199 CLARKE, Jane Wife Married F 56 1835
Lowestoft Suffolk
199 CLARKE, John W Son Single M 22 1869 Machinist R A
Plumstead Kent
199 CLARKE, Henry G Son Single M 17 1874 Messenger R A
Plumstead Kent
199 CLARKE, Benjamin Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Plumstead Kent