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Thank you all for getting back to me!

Some of the info on here has con fused me a bit, so thank you for clearing a few things up. What certificate should I try to get that will be most benefical to the search?
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Many thanks Tracey,

I will work on this!

Dea Xxx

Dea,

How about this Charles?

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 319 Folio: 45 Page: 37
Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bromley
Address: 12, James Street, Bromley County: London
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BROWN, Charles Head Married M 35 1856 General Labourer Ongar Essex
BROWN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1837 West Ham Essex
BROWN, Charles Son Single M 21 1870 Blacksmith Bromley London
BROWN, Alfred Son M 14 1877 Scholar Bromley London
BROWN, Henry Son M 12 1879 Scholar Bromley London

I know the London Borough is slightly out, but the age and occupation is correct? ...and i know the father isn't a John!

It's possible coming from that area in those times, that Charles invented his father?

Tracey x

Wow, this thread has gone all over the place!

Ok firstly this is Sydney's birth?

Births Dec 1910
BROWN Sydney J Wandsworth 1d 531

There is mention of a step sibling Percy....was he older or younger than Sydney?

Somehow we have migrated onto Charles, and i don't know why...?

Kirsty, you say you want more details on Sydney....do you have his birth cert? This will give you all the accurate info your gonna need!

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OK so we have Sydney in 1911?

1911 RG14PN2205 RG78PN75 RD26 SD2 ED17 SN71
Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: North West Battersea
Address: 10 Pearson St Battersea SW County: London
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BROWN, Charles Head Married M 41 1870 Naval Pensioner Battersea Surrey
BROWN, Beatrice Sarah Wife Married F 40 1871 Lambeth Surrey
BROWN, Percy Robert Foster Son Single M 22 1889 Packer Battersea Surrey
BROWN, Charles Henry Son M 12 1899 Battersea Surrey
BROWN, William Albert Son M 6 1905 Battersea Surrey
>>BROWN, Sydney James Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Battersea Surrey
LARGE, Sophiam Visitor Single F 30 1881 Laundress Hessle Hull

ahhhh OK now i see where Charles comes in!

So then Charles and Beatrice are Sydney's parents.... and Dea has the marriage details posted.

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When people post data and give no explaination as to what they have found it gets very confusing.

So it looks like the vicar had made an error in the marriage book and instead of starting again he wrote over the top....silly man!

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Charles & Beatrice's first son Charles Henry's Baptism.

Name: Charles Henry Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Oct 1898
Father's Name: Charles Brown
Mother's Name: Beatrice Brown
Parish: Christ Church, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex

Father Charles is listed as a Blacksmith RN (Royal Navy?) Living at 6 Simpson Street. Charles was born on Sept 20th 1898.

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OK so in 1901 at that address we have this....

1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 451 Folio: 66 Page: 15
Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: North West Battersea
Address: 6, Simpson Street, Battersea County: London
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BROWN, Beatrice Head Married F 30 1871 Nk Lambeth
FOSTER, Percy Son M 12 1889 Battersea
BROWN, Charles Son M 2 1899 Battersea
FOSTER, Alice Sister Single F 20 1881 Laundry Woman Westminster

NOw then Dea, can you not find Charles in 1891 because he's away at sea?

OK, got my head round most of it...



Tracey x

I don't believe we have the correct Charles Brown here on 1891 with widowed mother Ann.

It does look to be a very good fit, especially as he is a 'Sailor'. - I am not too bothered about the year of birth but the father is not right either??

I have followed this family back and Ann was definitely married to Henry who was a Sawyer.

1881:

BROWN, ***Henry Head Married M 54 1827 Sawyer Southampton Hampshire
BROWN, Ann Wife Married F 54 1827 Wincanton Somerset
BROWN, George Son Single M 21 1860 General Labor Landford Hampshire
BROWN, Edith Daughter Single F 18 1863 General Servant Battersea Surrey
BROWN, Ann Daughter Single F 16 1865 General Servant
Battersea Surrey
BROWN, Charles Son Single M 14 1867 General Labor Battersea Surrey
BROWN, Pheobe J Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Battersea Surrey

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
638 Folio:
50 Page:
41

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Battersea Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Battersea Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Ashton Building, Battersea County:
Surrey




Charles wedding cert states that his father was John ( although there is a great deal of 'scribbling and crossing-out' on there).

Dea x

Can anyone find another Charles please?

Thank you very much I really appreciate it!

Enjoy your time with your grand daughter.

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You are welcome Kirsty,

I notice your other thread has loads more info added and so I have done a bit of work on this one today but had 5 year old grand-daughter for the past 2 days so haven't joined together yet what I have found.

I have a 'free day tomorrow' so will try to 'get to grips' with it and post what I have - no 'Spanish blood' found yet though, but, if it is there, I am sure we will find it !!

Dea x

Dea x

Thank you Dea x

Nudged for more help for Kirsty please and so I can find this thread again tomorrow.

(See her new request edited into first post)

Dea x

anything else on Charles in his childhood?
... and Beatrice's childhood?

:)

Thank you Jonessey

Name: Charles Brown (Occ Royal Navy)
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Beatrice Sarah Foster
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 May 1894
Parish: St Stephen, Battersea Bridge Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: John Brown
Spouse Father Name: Henry Foster

Just a possibility for Kathleen's sister May:

Name: May F Field
Mother's Maiden Surname: Bennett
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1923
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 357

I have posted more detail on original request. I would like to know more about Sydney's fathers routes. My nan said that she believes that along his side we may have some Spanish blood. I would like to check this. Thank you all in return.

Wow, thanks for that. I will see if I can get that. Really appreciate your help.

Also my nan told me of Kathleen's brothers Bert (Albert) and Leonard so looks like a match but she also told me of a sister called May.

1911 census for a John Thomas Field who was living in Battersea, Wandsworth:

FIELD, John Thomas Head Married M 31 1880 Railway Engine Stoker London VIEW
FIELD, Annie Wife Married
6 years F 31 1880 Kidderminster VIEW
FIELD, John Edward Son M 5 1906 London Battersea VIEW
FIELD, Albert Henry Son M 3 1908 London Battersea VIEW
FIELD, Leonard James Son M 1 1910 London Battersea VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2179 Reference:
RG14PN2179 RG78PN74 RD26 SD1 ED36 SN416

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
East Battersea Enumeration District:
36 Parish:
Battersea

Address:
4 Hanbury Road Battersea S W County:
London

You will first need a copy of Kathleen Field's marriage certificate which hopefully will show her fathers name and her age. If her father is shown as John Thomas Field and Kathleen's age at marriage is appropriate then obtain a copy of the 1912 birth certificate which with any luck should prove that this is her birth family.

I think it likely as this marriage record gives the wife's name as Bennett which ties in with the mothers maiden name shown on the birth registration:

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
BENNETT Annie Wandsworth 1d 1200
FIELD John Thomas Wandsworth 1d 1200

Good luck

Jonesey -- any info on Kathleens mothers first name I believe Kathleens father to be called John Thomas Field

How sure are you of this 1891 census being the same Charles Brown in the others?

As the year of birth has changed from 1870 to 1868 is this the same Charles Brown?

sister phoebe in 1901 with sister anne

1901 census

Address 1 Blondel Street
Civil Parish Battersea
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Saviour
Parliamentary Borough or Division Battersea
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Battersea
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Chas P Brown
Relation to Head of Family Nephew
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Phoebe Brown
Relation to Head of Family Sister
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 29
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Laundry Maid
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Annie Roberts
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 35
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name John Roberts
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 41
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Builders Laborer
Employment Status
Where Born London Lambeth
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name John C Roberts
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Kathleen V Roberts
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Phoebe S Roberts
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Battersea
Language
Infirmity

checked with nan and yes there is another brother Charles Brown so thank you so much this is a great help and much appreciated. Anymore would be lovely also