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hello,im trying to find more information on my mothers side of the family,i have my grandmother Ethel, F Hartnett and her sisters margaret and annie,they were all born in london in the 1920s,i have their father as a Richard harnett born round about the 1885 0r 18886 also london area,i cannot find richard on the census lookups im doing,i have seen lots of harnetts on the census but no richard,i know it was a big family but have no family help to be sure of anything,i think ireland comes into it from memoires i can remember ,the weirdest bit is 20 cherry gardens keeps popping up on the census and my mother actually grew up in that area.Iam really rubbish at this and would love some help,thanks,maxine

Possible..?


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Richard Hartnett
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: Matilda Martin
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Mar 1916
Parish: St Paul, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Hartnett
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Alfred Martin

there are no Richard Harnetts on 1911 census.

Have you got any birth certificates that would give you the parents names and mother's maiden name?

Jennifer
PS We all have to start somewhere, don't lose heart

These are the births for Hartnett with mother's maiden name Martin:


Matilda H Hartnett Jan Feb Mar 1917 Southwark Greater London

Annie Hartnett Jan Feb Mar 1921 St.Olave Greater London

Margaret Hartnett Jan Feb Mar 1922 St Olave Greater London

Ethel F Hartnett Oct Nov Dec 1923 St Olave Greater London

Richard Hartnett Oct Nov Dec 1925 St Olave Greater London

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Death Index: 1916-2005
about Richard Hartnett
Name: Richard Hartnett
Death Registration Month/Year: 1938
Age at death (estimated): 48
Registration district: Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 87

thankyou,he did marry a matilda martin so this looks good,how did you find him on the census???

Births Dec 1923

Hartnett Ethel F Martin St.Olave 1d 247

from FreeBMD

so looks as if the marriage found is right

1891 England Census
about Richard Hartnett
Name: Richard Hartnett
Age: 5 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hartnett 76
Mary Hartnett 68
John Hartnett 37
Richard Hartnett 35
Annie Hartnett 31
John Hartnett 4
Danial Hartnett 3
Richard Hartnett 5 months

Maxine what has been found are not census returns but info from Civil Registration

i.e. Birth Marriages and Deaths

those ladies are my grandmother and her sisters,thankyou,

thanks again,am i right in thinking the richard hartnett you have found was my great grandfather and this is info on his death etc,sorry bare with me!!!!!

The Army records stated parents as Richard & Annie - so marriage and the 1st 1901 Census should match

i did not know my grandmother had a brother at all so this is really interesting,she never ever mentioned anything about a brother,so this is quite interesting....

1901 England Census
about Richard Harriott
Name: Richard Harriott
[Richard Harnett]
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Harriott 40
Annie Harriott 42
John Harriott 14
Daniel Harriott 13
Richard Harriott 10

do you know if it was very common for them to record details but not putting surnames accurately?? thanks for all you help so far.....

Do you know for sure that Ethel's mother was Matilda?

In his marriage to Matilda .. He was listed as widowed, a carman and father Richard was labourer.

In 1901 Richard with Richard & Mary as parents.. Richard snr's father occupation was Carman.

1901 with parents Richard & Annie, Richard snr occupation was Waterside labour dock

seeing Richard jnr was widowed, this possibly is 1st marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Richard Harnett
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Spouse Name: Rosina Backwith
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 May 1909
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Harnett
Spouse Father Name: Harry Backwith

This looks like the one with parents Richard & Annie in 1911......

HOUSEHOLD ARNETT ANNIE F 1858 53 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
HOUSEHOLD ARNETT DANIEL M 1888 23 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
HOUSEHOLD ARNETT JOHN M 1887 24 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
HOUSEHOLD ARNETT RICHARD M 1856 55 St Olave (Bermondsey) London
HOUSEHOLD ARNETT RICHARD M 1891 20 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

hi again,i have matilda as his wife,this info is what ive got from snit bits from relatives along time ago,its so frustrating at not having my own solid info to go on,i have already found out today that some parts of my tree are not accurate,just like i cant believe i didnt know my grandmother had a younger brother,,our family is a closed book!!!!

Here's Margaret's death in WW2

HARTNETT, MARGARET
Initials: M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 22
Date of Death: 19/07/1944
Additional information: Daughter of Richard and Matilda Hartnett, of 16 Elim Estate, Weston Street, Bermondsey. Died at 23 Cancel Street.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: SOUTHWARK, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

janice,thanks so much for this,its fascinating,but sad too,if my grandmother was alive there are so many questions i would love to ask,its wonderful,thankyou x