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Hm, not so interested, I guess. I just did a board search to check whether we might have started over again somewhere else, and accidentally searched for TURNER TURVEY instead of TUVEY and found one I'd missed:
Any relatives Ada Powell married to Henry Turner
Hi, is there anybody on this board who is related
kidsnpets 21/10/2008 18:28:46 5 replies
"is there anybody on this board who is related or has info on Ada Powell who married Henry Turner in Pancras in 1888 had at least one child my grandad Walter Turner in Pancras North London n 1898, then Ada later remarried someone Turvey, possibly Robert, who had relatives Charles and John Turvey"
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I think this is one to forget Janey. I don't know about you but I've never felt so confused!!
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Oh, sometimes I just like to take the messy ones and sort them out just to save others the time and trouble when they show up again!
Robert and Ada had an "unofficial pearly wedding", so I've googled "pearl wedding anniversary" and see it's the 30th. So if Robert died in 1939, they must have been together by 1909.
We're told they raised 17 children between them. It gosh darn sure would have helped to know some of those children's names, wouldn't it?? Like, do they include any of the names in the 1911 Henry & Ada household? Because if Robert was born c1857, as that death record indicates, and if Ada was at all the same age, she/he/they surely would have had some of those kids wtih them in 1911 ... if they were together 30 years before he died in 1939.
Ada and Mr Turner surely don't seem to be together in 1901 with children Walter and Alfred.
If that *is* Ada with Mr Turner in 1911 as posted on p.1, then I'm suspecting this is Mr Turner in 1901 in Hackney:
> Henry W Turner 33 - born Shoreditch, contractor's carman
- right age, occupation, location
Elizabeth Turner 29
> Alfred Turner 4
Elizabeth Turner 2
Matilda M Turner 1 month
Births Jun 1901
TURNER Matilda May Hackney 1b 448
Deaths Jun 1902
Turner Matilda May 1 Hackney 1b 263
Births Sep 1899
Turner Elizabeth Mary F Shoreditch 1c 87
Deaths Dec 1903
Turner Elizabeth Mary F 4 Shoreditch 1c 63
possibly
Deaths Jun 1906
Turner Elizabeth 35 Shoreditch 1c 64
or
Deaths Mar 1907
TURNER Elizabeth Martha 35 Hackney 1b 348
possibly
Marriages Dec 1890
Greenwood Alice Ellen Hackney 1b 892
Lee Elizabeth Hackney 1b 892
Smith Henry Hackney 1b 892
Turner Henry William Hackney 1b 892
Or possibly Elizabeth didn't die.
Alfred and Walter in 1911 are 14 and 12. The next child is 7. This does suggest that the family is a combined one -- Alfred is Henry's, Walter is Ada's, and the later children are theirs together.
Interesting household in 1891 in Mile End Old Town
Robert Tovey 33 - born Briston c1858
Matilda E Tovey 29
Robert C Tovey 5
Alice L Tovey 3
Births Mar 1888
TOVEY Alice Lily Mile End 1c 571
Marriages Dec 1915
Tovey Alice L Louden Mile End 1c 996
But I can't see 'em in 1911.
Aha. In 1911:
TOVEY ROBERT 1860 51 Mile End Old Town London
TOVEY MATILDA 1862 49
TOVEY ROBERT CHARLES 1886 25
TOVEY LILLY 1888 23
Is this our Robert?
(Tovey was very possibly pronounced Toovey, i.e. rhyming with move.)
Someone has Alice 1888 Mile End London in her tree here at GR.
Marriages Dec 1884
Tovey Robert Mile End 1c 932
Waselius Matilda Elizabeth Mile End 1c 932
Deaths Jun 1925
Tovey Matilda E 63 W.Ham 4a 208
If so, his wife was still living until 1925, one possible explanation for no Ada+Robert marriage.
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Do a boards search for TURNER TOVEY, and we get a few more clues ...
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1089422
October 2008
hi i am trying to find as much info as possible on Alice Hoare and Robert Turner married in March 1890 Camberwell, London.
particularly interested in there children, and whether she was from Canada.
any help would be great.
1901
Alice C Turner 29
Alice S Turner 9
William S Turner 7
Henry C A Turner 4
Walter J Turner 9 months
i dont have the marriage certificate, there is a possibility they are my grandads parents, i know his father was Robert, not sure about his mother, but i do know when my grandad Walter james married in 1920 his father was desceased,
and according to his son who is now 81,
Roberts wife remarried someone called Tovey, and had more children
so i think her husband died fairly young,
and there is an Alice Turner on 1901 census in Lewisham who is a widow, with a son Walter J who is a baby.
No further news on that one either ... but that sure sounds like a red herring.
We do know that there is a child Walter involved, anyhow!
Oh, and another one ...
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1089582
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Hi
thanks for the replys, this is my grandads family in 1911
1911 census
TURNER, HENRY HEAD MARRIED M 43 LABOURER BUILDERS MILDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ADA T WIFE MARRIED 22 F 37 N MIDDLSEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ALFRED SON N M 14 SCHOOL MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, WALTER SON N M 12 SCHOOL MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ROSE E DAUGHTER N F 7 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, ADA T DAUGHTER N F 6 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, GEORGE W SON N M 3 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
TURNER, TREY SON N M 2 N MIDDLESEX ST PANCRAS
it is Ada F snr not T,
I have gone through freebmd and can not make anything match.
The only one that shows up in the previous census is Jennie Turner and even her name is on the 1911 census then crossed out but is put dont as Jane?
She later had a illegitimate son Alfred, and had him registered as Powell her grandparents surname and not Turner?
Adas wedding to Robert was a Pearly wedding as in Pearly Kings and Queens. so wouldnt show up in records.
I am confused too, dont know how they show up in 1911 and no where else.
Even Walter who was christened just Walter Turner had gained the middle name James by 1911.
I am just going to give up i think, i first posted this when i first started my research in 2008, wasnt sure how u went about it, then left it after i had a housefire.
Think i will just have to resign myself that they are a mystery!
many thanks for all your help.
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Could you maybe explain what "a Pearly wedding as in Pearly Kings and Queens" means? I have no idea, I'm afraid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearly_Kings_and_Queens
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kidsnpets, if you're going to resign yourself to them being a mystery, as I think you've said before, could you at least not start any more threads about them?
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"had at least one child my grandad Walter Turner in Pancras North London n 1898"
Is this your grandfather? (born 1898, reg 1899?)
Births Mar 1899
Turner Walter Pancras 1b 6
You have the birth certificate? What does it say for the parents' names and the father's occupation? What is the address?
"She later [after 1891] had a illegitimate son Alfred, and had him registered as Powell her grandparents surname and not Turner?"
Can you please show us the birth registrations you're talking about?? And the census entries you're talking about?? You have them, why make us go guessing and hunting for them?
btw, my post at 20:52 - ?
Do you think they are the right Robert Tovey and Henry Turner??
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