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Has anyone any access to Passenger Lists for incoming ships from USA to Liverpool, think Frank Bill may have come back sometime after WWI.

Thanks for any help given.

Jennifer

Thanks Ginny

I know he was in Chicago but After that who knows, seems he did not want to be found.

Thanks for your help
Jennifer

Cant find anything for him in the US......there is no GRO over there as the country is so vast

Im still not convinced that he was over there

Sorry, did not think we could give out addresses, here it is
1302 West 9th Street
Los Angeles, Cal.

The address was printed but the writing is very illegible, think the date says 8 May 1920

It may be a completely different Mrs Bill, looks like he wasn't with her then, may have died or gone off again!!!

Come on then Jen....part with the address and date on the letter :-)

My Grandmother was looking for him, her father, many years ago (1920)and I was recently given a letter that she received from someone in Los Angeles who bought a property that his wife and daughter were living in as tenants. She kept it and it has only recently come to light.

Jennifer

How do you know he was in LA?

Thank you again Ginny, you really are helping me a lot.

I know he arrived in New York in 1896 and went to Chicago, that was when he stayed with his brother Alfred Ernest Bill, but he left Chicago about 1901 and then he was found in Los Angeles and I think he married again there at a later date and had another daughter.

He left Clara in England with three children, one of which was called Frank Bill as well, this is where is gets complicated. It maybe that the one who died in 1931 was his son.

Thanks again

Jennifer

This might be worth checking out


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frank Bill
Name: Frank Bill
Birth Date: abt 1855
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1947
Age at Death: 92
Registration district: Bournemouth
Registration County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 180

No that probate record is not your man as he was born about 1903

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Frank Bill
Name: Frank Bill
Probate Date: 17 Oct 1931
Death Date: 9 Sep 1931
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
Registry: Birmingham

£188 5s 4d to Muriel Bill



I wonder if he married again


Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
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Bill Frank Evans Cannock 6b 643
Evans Muriel Bill Cannock 6b 643

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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BILL Clara 54 Walsall 6b 501

Calra is here but without Frank...


1901 England Census
about Clara Bill
Name: Clara Bill
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 2702
Folio: 139
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Clara Bill 45 Married
Frederick C Bill 21
Frank E Bill 20
Frances M B Bill 18

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Frank Bill
Name: Frank Bill
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1856
Age: 22
Father's name: Charles Bill
Spouse's Name: Clara Emery
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Father's Name: James Emery
Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1878
Marriage Place: Rushall, Staffordshire, England




Are you sure he went to the US?

In fact both those censuses look like they are not him as he was with wife Clara up to 1891 in the UK

1861 England Census
about Frank Bill
Name: Frank Bill
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles Bill
Mother's name: Mary Bill
Gender: Male
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2035
Folio: 3
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bill 50
Mary Bill 44
Elizabeth Bill 16
Fredric Bill 15
Kate Bill 8
Ann Bill 6
Frank Bill 5
Alfred E Bill 1
Mary Massey 47
Caroline Griffiths 22
Mary Ann Bray 19
Sophia Lowe 20
Diana Fellows 26
Henry Moulson 35

Im not sure if this is the same Frank that I posted for 1900? He has a different occupation on here he is a farmer and on the 1900 he is a clerk


1910 United States Federal Census
about Frank Bill
Name: Frank Bill
[Frank Bell]
Age in 1910: 55
Estimated Birth Year: 1855
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Alice Bill
Home in 1910: Rome, Lenawee, Michigan
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1872
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Bill 55
Alice Bill 54
Myrtle Kethings 25


Theres no sign of him later. When was he in LA?

Thank you Ginny for your help, this does seem to be the right track. Frank Bill was last known to be in Los Angeles and this does all seem to fit in. He is the one I am really trying to trace relatives for. If you have any more details for him I would be very grateful.

I know Alfred Ernest died in 1902 in Chicago he was about 42 at the time

Thank you again, most appreciated.

Jennifer

This looks quite likely for Mary. She was still with her mother in 1930 so she may never have married


California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Mary Bill
Name: Mary Bill
[Mary Ernest]
Social Security #: 318283475
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1896
Birthplace: Illinois
Death Date: 7 Jun 1986
Death Place: San Diego
Father's Surname: Ernest <<<<

Social Security Death Index
about Mary Bill
Name: Mary Bill
SSN: 322-28-0866
Last Residence: 92083 Vista, San Diego, California, United States of America
Born: 23 Apr 1896
Died: Jun 1986
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (1951)

1930 United States Federal Census
about Letitia Bell
Name: Letitia Bell
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
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Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia Bell 66
Mary Bell 33

1910 United States Federal Census
about Letitia A Bill
Name: Letitia A Bill
[Letitia A Bell]
Age in 1910: 47
Estimated Birth Year: 1863
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 33, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Male
[Female]
Year of immigration: 1890
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia A Bill 47
Nellie P Bill 16
Macey Bill 14
William C Davis 37


1920 United States Federal Census
about Lettice U Bell
Name: Lettice U Bell
[Littia U Bill]
[Bell]
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 9, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Race: White
Sex: Female
Home owned: Own
Year of immigration: 1889
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lettice U Bell 57
Nellie P Bell 24
Mary Bell 22
Topnios S J Anagnos 29




I take it he was born in West Brom?