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Hi Choccy.

I think you have found the correct gfamily on the 1901 census as Frederick John Bayliss's son Frederick William, mentioned his sister, Ada, in his will. She had married by then and her last name was Moss.

Thanks very much!!!

Good idea!!

Hi Gwyn.

It would be a possible start and Annie could, indeed, be a cousin rather than a sister.

I'm tempted to use the bmd, but I don't think Middlesex/London has one like Cheshire or Lancashire where you can view the spousal name on the marriage record!!

Thanks for looking though - much appreciated.

I wonder if Annie married in the London area, .... with her record( and therefore father ) on LMA records on Ancestry ?

or is that hoping too much.......

Gwyn

It would seem that the men of the family all worked with wood,
( Frederick's father John is shown as a cabinet maker ( deceased in 1877 ) so perhaps Frederick's skill was more suited to the London area.
Can we guess that John died between 1864 and 1877.... although Annie may be the child of another of William's siblings, of course.

Gwyn

Hi Choccy.

Frederick John had met, married and had a son by 1881, but Annie would have been too young to have left home yet - I would have thought...

Annie is still with her aunt and uncle in 1881 -


BAYLIS, William Head Married M 54 1827 Cabinet Maker Employing 1 Boy
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BAYLIS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 52 1829
Arnold
Nottinghamshire VIEW
BAYLIS, Annie Niece Single F 16 1865 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
399 Folio:
62 Page:
32

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Hoxton Old Town Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
14, De Beauvoir Crescent, Shoreditch County:
Middlesex

Hi Gwyn.

Tracing back would confirm how the London based relatives are connected to Frederick John.

I find it interesting that he already had somewhere to go when he arrived there.

I had assumed the search for work was the reason, but bereavement could have been another...

So.... yes please if possible

Re the 1871 census
Is young Annie, the niece a sibling of Frederick and living with her uncle because her father (John ? ) is ill or deceased?
This might mean looking for his death any time after her conception.....?


Do we need to track back from William, the head, in order to find his brother John? and more of the family?

Gwyn

Hi Choccy.

Thanks will do by return of private message.

Hi Ann.

This is narrowing it down. Solihull!!!

Someone once told me there was a Baylis(s) family vault in Birmingham. I wonder if that is a connection to this family!!

Thanks for all the info you have found....

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census - household transcription
Person: BAYLISS, Fredk
Address: Gilbert...House, Causeway, Yardley

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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BAYLISS, John Head Married M 37 1824 Wire Drawer
Sutton Coldfield
Warwickshire VIEW
BAYLISS, Emma Wife Married F 40 1821 Drawer Wife
Tamworth
Staffordshire VIEW
BAYLISS, Henry J Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Sutton Coldfield
Warwickshire VIEW
BAYLISS, Fredk Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Sutton Coldfield
Warwickshire VIEW
BAYLISS, Anne E Daughter F 2 1859
Sutton Coldfield
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG09 Piece:
2216 Folio:
105 Page:
13

Registration District:
Solihull Sub District:
1 Solihull Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Yardley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Gilbert...House, Causeway, Yardley County:
Warwickshire



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Hi Choccy.

That's a shame as, if correct, it means he never got to meet his grandson.

Hi Gwyn.

Any idea where?

Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
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Bayliss Frederick John 48 Hackney 1b 232

1871
William the head of family, born Birmingham was a wood carver master....employing 3 men and 6 boys

Gwyn

Hi Gwyn.

This sounds even more promising!!!

The marriage is definitely Frederick John Bayliss and Caroline Alice EARL.


If you let me have your e-mail address I can send the image to you.



1901

BAYLISS, Frederick J Head Married M 48 1853 Retired Wood Carrier
Birmingham VIEW
BAYLISS, Caroline Wife Married F 48 1853
Finsbury
London VIEW
BAYLISS, Frederick Son Single M 22 1879 Mercantile Clerk
Hoxton
London VIEW
BAYLISS, Florence L Daughter Single F 20 1881 Infants Milliner
Hoxton
London VIEW
BAYLISS, Ada Kate Daughter Single F 18 1883 Millinery Machinist
Kingsland VIEW
BAYLISS, Mabel F Daughter F 16 1885 Mot Cap Machinist
Kingsland
London VIEW
BAYLISS, Percy J Son M 12 1889
Hornsey
London Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
205 Folio:
64 Page:
50

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
Stoke Newington Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary

Civil Parish:
Stoke Newington Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Kersley Road, Stoke Newington County:
London

1871
The nephew in London was a wood carver.

Gwyn

Hi Ann

This is a possibility for him - shame no occupation details taken at the time....

Thanks though...