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Took a break today and went after some photos of the town in 1860. Fascinating - of cause another family line.

I have looked at shipping for maybe James Love and Jane Morrison coming in together - but no luck.
I searched McIntyres - lots of them but nothing, Morrison's etc.

I am thinking down the lines now that first, the marriage certificate I feel very much holds to the theory. Especially that she was widowed, she had 4 kids, and her maiden name was Morrison. So a major link but still not totally definite.

But maybe the next would be to search and find definite marriages of each child and then obtain one or two certificates. Looking probably for the Mothers and Fathers names/surname. I know from my garndfather James he stated that his parent were John Fuller and Jane Morrison. _ So I wonder what the others would have done.

Talking with my sister today I think a visit to my aunt may be a must right now. Although she and my father were step kids, their common father may have told her more about the past and may know something about the name change - I wonder.

I know my father asked nothing, but she did have information that surprised me many years ago. So obviously she may even have more and since my father has died she may now tell me.
Who knows but it is worth a visit - she is my only aunt now.

Now about names - hers is Margaret and if there was any carrying forward of names well they have done that for the 4 Love children.

Thank you again - I'll keep you posted.

Just found this in NSW:

3474/1903 FULLER JANE (MORRISON) REDFERN

????

Could be a complete coincidence once again.

If you are really keen to eliminate or confirm, you could try a transcription agent and only pay for certain fields initially (e.g birthplace, spouse, age).

????

Shame about the certs :-(

There are a few possibles for John's arrival to Vic.

Saldanha Sep 1856 aged 20 from UK
City of Hobart June 1862 aged 27 from NZ
Alhambra Aug 1863 aged 27 from NZ

Two travelling alone, the one of City of Hobart with Thomas aged 36.

Still no luck finding Jno's death.

Enjoy your time away!

Just answering one of your questions:

On the marriage certificate the ages given were:
John 32 and Jane 30

Remember Mcintyre was Janes mothers maiden name.

Also shown that Jane was widowed in 1867 Melbourne.

But the children - although they went ot write in the alive column - that was then crossed out and four was placed in the dead column.

Now I don't believe all 4 are dead - I think this was more a cover up.
I also think Janes age was maybe increased since everything else was pointing to her being born 1841 where the marriage certificate points to 1837.

It also shows they were living at the same address - Sackville Street, Collingwood. (no number given)

Anyway I am off again for a few days to my sisters but may have some contact from to time. Searching some of my past in Warrnambool.

Well I visited the Cemetery and we have the wrong Jane.
So both death certificates I obtained are wrong.

But I would have to say the marriage certificate is Ok at this stage. Lets hold your original theory - I still think that is holding well.

The grave had a headstone that was placed by the son - Leslie. It quoted:

In Loving Memory of
Jane
The beloved Wife of
Charles Fuller
Died 18 Feb 1893
Aged 52

Also the above Husband
Charles Fuller
Died 12 Sep 1905
Age 62

Also William
The dearly Beloved Husband of
Mabel Francis
Died 21 May 1929
Age 60


Erected by Son Leslie


I'll check more when I get home tomorrow where all my notes are

Thanks

Kevin - just another thought - does John & Jane's marriage cert show their ages? Might help find John's death.

Hope your visit to the cemetery was interesting, tho as I said I don't think this is the right Jane...

Following on from the ? arrival of the LOVE family, there is a marriage for John LOVE b. Greenoch to Anne Wilson NIXON in 1866 (reg 2817). If he was 4 when he arrived that means he married at around 18. They lived in Melbourne area.

Also a John LOVE b. Greenoch m. in 1875 to Amanda FROMENT (reg 725) (not the same John). They were in Brunswick.

But no matches likewise for Eliza LOVE or FULLER, nor a death for her. So could be another wild goose chase I'm afraid.

I did find Harrison & Emily VANCE - both died in Western Australia. Emily died 3/2/1935 aged 77, so age does not fit for Emily LOVE's birth in 1867.

:-(

A Charles FULLER died in Williamstown in 1904 aged 62, son of James & Elizabeth (nee HAYNE).

Harrison & Emily VANCE had chn in Eaglehawk. But no trace of them after that.

There is a tree online for Margaret Prest FULLER m. WALLBANK showing both as born in Sth Aust. She was born 1870.

I know it is tempting to order lots of certs but be selective or you risk spending a lot of $ for not much gain! I admit I am curious about the birth of Harriet FULLER though with mother as Jane McINTYRE! ;-)

(By the by, no death or marriage found for Hart either - she is not the one who married Louis FIELDING as her parents were Mark & Harriet FULLER nee BETTERIDGE).

Hi again

Hmmm it is quite a leap from Edinburgh to Greenock! I am also confused as to why she would have been buried at Williamstown. And if it says 'Married? Yes' then I would think that means she is still married, or it would more likely say 'widow'.

So though the marriage cert holds some weight, the death cert is a little dubious, IMHO.

Did you see my theory (end p1) re the immigration of Jas & Mrs Love?

We can exclude Margaret Ann who m. PINNEY as her father was Francis FULLER on her death. Nothng for Jno or Marg WALLBANK, or Emily & Harrison VANCE.

Chinaman's Flat was just out of Maryborough so not really a match anyway.

I obtained the death certificate of the above John Fuller
Died 1886 / 7041

Wrong one

He was married to a Charlotte Bates when he was 33 years old.
In Victoria for 30 years and
has only one son - John Curtis (Curtin) Fuller aged 26.

Lived at 15 Grattam St Richmond
Buried Kew Cemetery 5th April
Died 3rd April 1886
Religion: Roman Catholic

So wrong one to our Jane if she holds
I think Jane will be the key

The death certificate looks like it was more filled in by a doctor more than someone with much knowledge of her past.
Written - ie. Post Mortum

It quotes that she was 40 years in Victoria.
Born: Edinburgh. - So Scotland lines up with Greenock.
If she was married - Yes
Particulars of marriage and children - Unknown
Particulars of Parents - unknown

From that I would say married and then either widowed or divorced - most likely widowed.
So she died 17/2/1893. South Yarra.
Her age 52.
Burial: Williamstown Cemetery.
Religion: Church of England
Lived at: 69 Morre Street. South Yarra.
(I think it is Moore)

Boy would'nt life be lovely if all things were simple - but then it would probably be boring.

Funny you say about her changing her age. At the moment it would appear she was born either 1837 to 1841 but who knows.

The birth location of both James Love and Jane Morrison are both Greenock, Scotland. Interesting??

Basing the fact that she had 4 children as above then i looked for marriages.

1. Margaret Ann Fuller m Frederick Carter Pinney 1885 / 3689

2. Margaret Prest Fuller m John Wallbank 1886 / 3615v

Both these fit time wise.

3. Emily Fuller m Harrison Vance 1886 / 2990
(Emily shown as Bn:Chinamans Flat)

4. James Fuller m Eliza Sheldon 1890 / 8248
( thats confirmed with my family and certificates.)

So the above marriages fit with time - I would need to get more certificates of these to work out the who who's.

Had a quick look at shipping records for arrivals of Jane McIntyre, Morrison, John Fuller and James Love but not much joy at this stage.

Tomorrow I will go to the Williamstown Cemetery and see if there is a Headstone - that may give a little somewhere.

Now what is interesting here is that she is buried with William Francis; Edith Fuller; and Charles Fuller - no data for dates of buriel or ages, etc.

So lets see what tomorrow brings.

Just a thought - does Jane's death cert state she was widowed? If the death for John FULLER in 1886 is the right one then she would be.

???

Well this just gets more and more interesting!

There is a birth of a daughter, Harriet, to John FULLER & Jane McINTYRE in Richmond in 1870! (reg 18531).

Now on Jane's death cert she gives her mother's mn as McINTYRE!

Coincidence or...?

As for Thos Wm FULLER b. 1875 in Maryborugh to Jane FULLER, father not named, I am not convinced this is a link. ?

I have been wondering if 'our Jane' has lied about her age somewhat. It is another leap of course but there is a James LOVE (23) and Mrs LOVE (25) with John (4) and Eliza (2) arriving in Vic in Aug 1852 aboard 'Emigrant' (unassisted). Also Jas LOVE (40) with Margaret (35), Eliza (21), Joseph (19), & Wm (13).

That does create a dispute with the number of deceased chn given on her marriage cert. Did you find marriages or deaths for any of the other LOVE chn?

A little bit more on the marriage of James Love and Jane Morrision.

First I cannot find any reference to a marriage - maybe it did not happen. But I did find that James Love death register and it quotes he was born in Greenock, Scotland.

If that be the case - both he and Jane were born in the same location.

Now for them to be married before they left Scotland she would have been 11-16 years of age. At this stage not likely. I also searched for any reference to McMillian - previous marriage again or something - well nothing showed.

Year of arrival for Jane is about 1853 to Australia.
Shipping records to be found yet.

On the marriage certificate of John Fuller to Jane, she could only leave her mark X.

I have found that Jane Fuller is buried at Williamstown Cemetery so I will visit to see if any headstones. The records have no service dates.

Just received the the death certificate of Jane and I believe it is the right one. Unfortunately a post mortum was carried out on her death and so the doctor was the one that filled out the certificate details.
He has quoted that she was previously married but details of children unknown.
Details of parents unknown.
Was in Australia for 40 years so that would mean she arrived in 1853 aged 12 or maybe 16.
So must find a ship.
Birth place shown as Edinburgh which the other side of Scotland to Greenock but still Scottish.
She is buried at Williamstown so I will check that but hopefully she is not in an un-named or porpers grave which I believe they were all buried at Williamstown.
So I still believe Cherilyn - your original analysis is holding true.

An additional Update

Purchased a copy of Jane Love (Morrison) and John Fuller's marriage certificate.

Very interesting - she is shown a widowed in 1867.
It also shows she has 4 children but it is shown in the column as all dead. (A figure 4 was put in the Live Column and then crossed out and the word "four" written in the dead column)

Could this be where the name of the children moved form Love to Fuller?

It shows her father as James Morrison and mother Violet Morrison (McIntyre)

John was shown as a bachelor and employment a Malster

John signed his name but Jane left her mark

So where did the McMillan come into the picture - was that a previous marriage again? She would have been very young if that was the case, Unless she moved her age around like many did.

So we have the right Jane here especially now the death register is showing "Morrison on each of her childrens death.

So I thought I should check again the electoral roll & census and see if the family were all together including Jane at South Yarra. Then maybe get her death certificate.

I have been working on the marriages of each of the children and I think I have them.

Also I found another child Thomas William born 1875 / 23972 - so maybe 5 children at this point.

Well Cherilyn

Yesterday I spend a fair bit of time starting right back a the start and seening what I could prove.
Each of the children of the Love Children as you showed had the mothers name as Jane McMillan except one - well on their deaths they are all showing the mother as Jane Morrison/Morison. So that I expect tightened the theory so far. (Looks like the McMillan is dissappearing - why?)

Thought now it would be a good time to get a copy of Jane's death certificate and then check the electoral rolls for the location where the Fuller lived in South Yarra.
If Jane is there then that would tighten your theory much tighter as I see it.

I'll keep you in the loop but working slowly on this. I don't want to jump and accept to only later find I was wrong.
But looking good so far.
Thank you
Kev

Cherilyn - Thank you for all your help

Yes James and Elizabeth had a son John who was born (and died young) at Soth Yarra. Thought it could be a connection somehow.

It was young Wm's death aged 6 that got me going on this line of thinking, only because his mother's name was Jane MORRISON but his birth didn't match, and then the Richmond link as well.

I have looked for deaths of the others but no luck.

Maybe someone else can have a go?? I'd love to find out if this is the right family.