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Hi all,

Have hit a brick wall unusually quick at my great grandparents stage, unfortunately the oldest member of my family still alive and in contact is only 51 yrs old....and that's my dad. I'm trying to get my family connected back to the 1901 census to make things easier, but the oldest relative we have cardinal knowledge of is Ernest, born 1912, I know this is really unhelpful, but would be eternally greatful of any help!!

Cheers,

Mike

Mike, don't know which od these is closest to Cheshire:

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Lamb Ernest C Yeates Romsey 2c 225 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Lamb Ernest W Carding Prestwich 8d 816 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Lamb Ernest Hall Prescot 8b 1444 Scan available - click to view
Lamb Ernest Preston Northwich 8a 477 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Lamb Ernest Boardman Oldham 8d 1127

Is this the birth?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ernest Lamb
Name: Ernest Lamb
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Preston
District: Northwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 477 (click to see others on page)

Dea x

Yes Dea, that's his Birth, but we don't know anything past that!?!?

Sorry to be so obscure

Edit: I did put Northwich/Winsford in original subject title, but it looked too long!! lol, that would have given you the edge anne marie lol

Dea - you're obviously better at geography than me!

Mike you'll need to get a copy of that birth certificate.

'Possible' marriage:


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Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
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***Lamb John Thomas Northwich 8a 465
***Preston Annie Northwich 8a 465
Rowlinson Richard Harry Northwich 8a 465
Sumner Maria Northwich 8a 465

Dea x

That would make a LOT of sense, John Lamb is a recurring name in the family, and there were apparently a John & John Jr (who went by the name Jack) around the 1890's.

Thanks Dea

Is this the family on 1911?


LAMB, John Thomas Head Married M 39 1872 Salt Maker Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Annie Wife Married 19 years F 40 1871 Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Guy Son Single M 14 1897 Salt Works Labourer Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, John William Son M 14 1897 Shcool Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Wilfrid Son M 12 1899 Shcool Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Herbert Son M 6 1905 Shcool Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Harold Son M 4 1907 Shcool Cheshire Winsford
LAMB, Harry Son M 1 1910 Cheshire Winsford VIEW
WOODWARD, Joseph Son In Law Married M 22 1889 Alkali Labourer Cheshire Winsford

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21695 Reference:
RG14PN21695 RG78PN1292 RD447 SD3 ED8 SN71

Registration District:
Northwich Sub District:
Over Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Wharton

Address:
165 Station Road Winsford County:
Cheshire


Dea x

Ernest Snr. is my great grandad, Ernest Jr. is my Great uncle who tragically died in Malaya 1951 aged 21, but that and my struggle with the MoD is a different story altogether

Edit: Dea are you some sort of geneology Ayotola?? You are a legend, that would seem to match in perfectly, given the families history with the salt mines

1881 England Census
about John Lamb
Name: John Lamb
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Hale, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 256 Station Road (Grocers Shop)
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Salt Maker

Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lamb 34
Sarah Jane Lamb 35
Sarah Ann Lamb 13
John Thos. Lamb 9
William A. Lamb 7
Josiah Lamb 3
Levi Lamb

Well Michael,

I have been called a Gem, a star, a genious, a 'miracle worker', - I have also been told 'I rock' !! but an 'Ayatola' is a first (tee hee !!)

Have to go and do 'mundane things' now like cooking tea but will be back later !!

Dea x

Before I go.....
possible marriage:

Marriages Mar 1911
Groom Gertrude E Northwich 8a 374
Jervis Frank N Northwich 8a 374
***Lamb Ethel Northwich 8a 374
***Woodward Joseph Northwich 8a 374

Dea x

Hi Dea,

Thanks for that, that Joseph Woodward showed on the 1911 living with my ancestors and yet Ethel was nowhere to be seen.....Hmm that could be something to look into another day.

Thanks everyone for all your help, even Helen who jumped ahead 20 years lol

Mike

Right, OK, so on the request of Dea, here is a map of where I'm upto now.

As we established, Ernest's dad was John Thomas Lamb.

Ernest was the youngest child og JT Lamb & Annie Preston

There was John B. c.1897, Guy same birth, Wilfred B. c.1899, Herbert B. c1905, Harold B. c.1907, Harry B. c.1910.

John Thomas (1872) was a middle child of another John (c.1847) and Sarah ? (c. 1846) his siblings were: Sarah (c1867) William (c1874) Elizabeth (c1883) Ethel (c1887) and Josiah (c.1878) at this point they were in Cheshire, however John (1847) was from Lancashire.

John (1847) was the son of John (c.1822) and Jane ? (c.1822) he had one brother - Wiliam (c.1852)

John (1822) was the son of Glasson Dock's Dock Master James Lamb Snr. (c.1792) and Agnus ? (c.1790) he had a brother James Jnr. (c.1815) and a sister - Margaret (c. 1826)

James Snr. is the furthest I have got back and would love to go further if anyone could help!!

Cheers,

Mike

If you search here (advanced search)

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

for James Lamb, wife Agnes no surname, any event, 1810-1830, Lancashire, England, UK

you get the baptisms of Margaret Lamb and William Lamb baptised on the same date in 1825 in Cockerham. Could the parents be your James and Agnes? They could have been twins, or just baptised in a batch; William may not have survived.

No marriage though, unfortunately.

Can you give the sources of the pre-1837/1841 info you have posted above? E.g. James 1792 and Agnus 1790. Just so those helping know where you've searched and what you've found.

Okay, 1851 census:

Name: Agnes Lamb
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1790
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Lamb
Where born: Thurnham, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Thurnham
County/Island: Lancashire

James Lamb 59
Agnes Lamb 61
James Lamb 36
John Lamb 29
Margaret Lamb 23
Agnes Lamb 8 - niece
Ann Lamb 8 - niece

If you were to get a birth certificate for the nieces, it would give you the mother's or parents' names. The Lamb parent would theoretically be a sibling of James Sr there, although it's more likely the relationship is slightly other, I'd think. It could still be worth having the info.


Do delete that other thread; it could just mislead someone in future.

Name: Ann Lamb
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1843
Baptism/Christening Place: ST. MARY, LANCASTER, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Mother's Name: Betsy Lamb
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Agnes Lamb
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 1843
Baptism/Christening Place: ST. MARY, LANCASTER, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Mother's Name: Betsy Lamb
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


The 1851 household is in:

Registration district: Lancaster

I suspect those are the two girls in the household.


There's a Betsy Lamb marriage to Thomas Johnson 1847 St John, Lancaster, Betsy aged 26 (c1821), father John Lamb.

This, I believe, would be John's birth - the district includes Hale which was then in Cheshire:

Births Mar 1847
Lamb John Altrincham 19 21

Cheshire/Lancashire Borders kept 'moving about' !!

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His marriage to Sarah Jane:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Name: Sarah J Atherton
Spouse: John Lamb
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Northwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 412

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1871 England Census
about John Lamb
Name: John Lamb
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah I Lamb .............. should be Sarah J
Gender: Male
Where born: Hale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
John Lamb 24 .....Salt boiler
Sarah I Lamb 25
Sarah A Lamb 3

at Gravel Lane.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3699; Folio: 115; Page: 16; GSU roll: 842114.

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With parents + family on 1861 (he has several brothers, including William !)

1861 England Census
about John Lamb
Name: John Lamb
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Lamb
Mother's Name: Jane Lamb
Gender: Male
Where born: Hale, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Over
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitegate
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Lamb 39 Labr. at Salt Works.
Jane Lamb 39
John Lamb 15
Joseph Lamb 11
William Lamb 9
Thomas Lamb 5
James Lamb 2
Hannah Oakes 19 . House servant !


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2605; Folio: 72; Page: 7; GSU roll: 542998.


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John, with family again on 1851:

1851 England Census
about John Lamb
Name: John Lamb
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Lamb
Gender: Male
Where born: All birth places - 'unknown' !!

Civil parish: Much Woolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:.Allerton Rd.

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Hale
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
John Lamb 28 Labourer
Jane Lamb 28
John Lamb 5
Joseph Lamb 2
Edward Lamb, lodger Above 20

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2193; Folio: 170; Page: 26; GSU roll: 87202.

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I 'fancy' this marriage ?? - BUT as yet, It is only a guess !!!!!!!!!!!!

I will see if I can come up with any proof?


Marriages Jun 1846 :

Faulkner Mary Runcorn 19 219
Gregson Charles Stuart Wirral 19 219
HOUGHTON Robert Runcorn 19 219
***Jackson Jane Runcorn 19 219
***Lamb John Runcorn 19 219
Laurinson Mary Runcorn 19 219
Lawrinson Mary Runcorn 19 219
Leech Richard Runcorn 19 219
Rowlinson Margaret Runcorn 19 219
Starkey George Runcorn 19 219

Dea x

EDIT:

The above marriage is NOT the one - that John married Mary Faulkner !!!! dratt !!!!

I will leave the details on so that it can be discounted!

Dea x

Michael,

You say this in your post above:

"John (1822) was the son of Glasson Dock's Dock Master James Lamb Snr. (c.1792) and Agnus ? (c.1790) he had a brother James Jnr. (c.1815) and a sister - Margaret (c. 1826)"

On the basis of this, Janey has posted this John with parents James + Agnes, for reference, from the 1851.

I don't believe this is 'your' John as I have posted him, already married to Jane with children from the 1851 above.

They are not the same John. !

Can you tell us how you came to James + Agnes please?

Dea x

well you are a bunch of busy bods aren't you!! lol fortunately/unfortunately I've had to come home from work with a sickness bug so have managed to catch up a few hours early, the way I've managed to get back to James Snr. 1792 is just by tracking the census' back to 1841.

If you track back from Ernest's parents 1901 you can follow the family up to Glasson Dock in 1841.

Or so I'm hoping, I've got that many pieces of paper dotted around the living room it's ridiculous.

i've seen that a few contributors to this thread are also lamb's if you want information about the lamb family in cheshire, let me know, i have reams of it now!!

Mike