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I am searching for my great grandmothers family. Her parents names were Richard and Eliza Patrick. On the 1881 census Georgena M Roberts is 14 and shown as the daughter, I cannot read her middle name - if anyone can decipher it I would be grateful

What area please?

Is this her?

1881 England Census
about Georgina M. Roberts
Name: Georgina M. Roberts
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Roberts
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Sandfield Ter
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Roberts 38
Mary Ann Roberts 42
Arthur J. Roberts 15
Georgina M. Roberts 13
Henrietta C. Roberts 11
Charlotte Roberts 72

Ancestry is so amusing.

Name: Georgena Man... Roberts
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Patrick
Mother's Name: Eliza Patrick
Gender: Female
Where born: California Kingswinford

Civil parish: Kingswinford
County/Island: Staffordshire

Richard Patrick 49
Eliza Patrick 38
Georgena Man... Roberts 14
Samuel Patrick 11
Sarah Patrick 5
Ernest Patrick 1
Harriett Patrick


And then it sends me to the wrong image. Will see whether I can find it.

It's on the following page (Ancestry p. # 27).

And I guess "California" is correct! It's also the address for households on the pages.

Her middle name does start with Man. Reading as best one can

Manscurs?

Something seems to have been written over the top of the last bit, like a giant handwritten J or something.


Unfortunately it's not in her name at birth - ?

Births Dec 1866
Roberts Georgina Stourbridge 6c 229

1891 England Census

Name: Georgiana Patrick
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Patrick
Mother's Name: Eliza Patrick
Gender: Female
Where born: Wordsley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Wordsley
Town: Wordsley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford

Richard Patrick 59
Eliza Patrick 46
Georgiana Patrick 24
Sarah Patrick 16
Ernest Patrick 10
Harriott Patrick 9
Harry Patrick 8

If this is the one you are talking about it is a male child George Harry Charles J and the surname is Bennet!

1881 England Census
about Georgena Man... Roberts
Name: Georgena Man... Roberts
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Patrick
Mother's Name: Eliza Patrick
Gender: Female
Where born: California Kingswinford

Civil parish: Kingswinford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Hill Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: No Occupation

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Patrick 49
Eliza Patrick 38
Georgena Man... Roberts 14
Samuel Patrick 11
Sarah Patrick 5
Ernest Patrick 1
Harriett Patrick

Mel - as I noted above, the link to the image is to the wrong page. The right household is on the next page. She is Daur, unm, 14, no occupation, born California Kingswinford.

(And I did post the correct census household above, so maybe you'd delete the incorrect one.)


It sure would have helped to have fuller info about the census entry to start with.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Richard Patrick
Name: Richard Patrick
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 107



Richard Patrick 1868 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Eliza Roberts 1868 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Yes Janey your right.

I was so busy trying to find her that I had'nt seen the other postings!

Looks to me as though it could have been her mothers maiden name. Manocliff?????

Because I have just put up the remarriage of her mother Eliza Roberts to Richard Patrick.

Guess you have this?

Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
Roberts Georgina Stourbridge 6c 229

Probable birth.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Georgina Roberts
Name: Georgina Roberts
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 229

Sorry I was so busy trying to sort writing out I didn't give much help to you kind people! I do apologise.
I thought Manning or Manacluff so we are thinking on same lines.
I will search for Elizabeth's mothers maiden name
Thank you again for your help, ladies.

No luck finding a previous marriage of an Eliza Man* to a Roberts in the right area.

Maybe Lynneknows where they are in 1871.

(Mel, it's the first post I'm talking about, in case that's the subject - the Lewisham family that is unrelated. And the birth of Georgina has now been posted twice more since I posted it ...)

The Patrick-Roberts marriage certificate is the only sure way to get Eliza's birth surname Lynne -- as long as she reported it correctly. ;)

I think we are all getting tired!! Ha ha ha

1861 England Census
about Eliza Roberts
Name: Eliza Roberts
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Benjn Roberts
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Wordsley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: California<<<<<<<<<<

Occupation: Dressmaker


Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
Benjn Roberts 44
Elizabeth Roberts 44
Eliza Roberts 18
Sarah Roberts 11
James Roberts 7
George Roberts 3

Mel's suggestion is spot on, she beat me to it.

My mum has an aunt whose middle name is Lewis. We were told that this was the surname of the household where my gr-grmother was employed as a domestic servant, and the "father" was the son of the head of household.

That naming pattern is very common, in fact.

If only we knew what the name was. ;)

Aren't you lot good! It went thru my mind as to whether Elizabeth had dallied before she met Richard and he had been good enough to make an honest woman of her! The only information I had was that Gt Grans sisters had tragically died. One had fallen into a well and another had got severly burned by a bonfire. So apart from that and the fact she made the best porridge I know nothing about her - so thank you yet again.

A recorded marriage of her mother on IGI.

Eliza Roberts Pedigree
Female Family

Marriages:
Spouse: Richard Patrick Family
Marriage: 16 AUG 1868 Lower Gornall, Stafford, England


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