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Hi MB

Sorry I have not been around,,

That could well be the marriage of Thomas and Rebecca

I found Thomas Oliver in the 1861 census aged 16 single
living with his parents and siblings up in Langford Bedfordshire
Biggleswade District and his father was also called Thomas

And Rebecca named one of her sons Percy
the only thing is she states she is born Tetford Lincolnshire

Ray

Could this be the marriage of Thomas & Rebecca?


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver (widower)
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Spouse Name: Rebecca Percy
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Apr 1883
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thoams Oliver
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Percy

Thomas Oliver , full age, Widower, Labourer, Bethnal Green, father Thomas Oliver deceased

Rebecca Percy , full age, spinster, Bethnal Green, father Frederick Percy labourer

witnesses: Daniel Welch & S***** Mrs Welch


Her birth................... though stated lincolnshire on census ...........:-


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Rebecca Percy
Name: Rebecca Percy
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stoke Upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1[6_

possibly 6b 165

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Rebecca's death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Rebecca Oliver
Name: Rebecca Oliver
Death Registration Month/Year: 1925
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 512

born Beatrice Florence married Florence Beatrice and now her death:


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Beatrice F Eaves
Name: Beatrice F Eaves
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 61
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 157


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Florence B Eaves
Name: Florence B Eaves
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 61
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5f
Page: 157

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Florence Beatrice Oliver
Name: Florence Beatrice Oliver
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 614
spouse: Alfred Frederick Eaves



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Florence Beatrice Oliver
Name: Florence Beatrice Oliver
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Spouse Name: Alfred Frederick Eaves
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1906
Parish: Holy Trinity, Finchley Road
County: Middlesex
Borough: Barnet
Father Name: Thomas Oliver
Spouse Father Name: William Eaves

Alfred Frederick Eaves age 22,Bachelor, Milk Carrier, 22 Hamilton Rd E.Finchley, father William Eaves, Bricklayer

Florence Beatrice Oliver age 20, spinster, 16 Hamilton Road E.Finchley, father Thomas Oliver, Gardener

witnesses: A.E.Ridley & A.E.W.Ridley

Why is father not listed as deceased I wonder?



1911 census transcription details for: 3 Branckenbury Road East Finchley N
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN7178 RG78PN352 RD131 SD3 ED20 SN93

Reg. District: Barnet Sub District: Finchley
Parish: Finchley Enum. District: 20
Address: 3 Branckenbury Road East Finchley N
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
EAVES, Alfred Frederick Head Married M 27 1884 Milk Carrier East Finchley
EAVES, Florence Beatrice Wife Married
4 years F 24 1887 West Finchley
EAVES, Alfred Frederick Son M 1 1910 East Finchley

Well Brenda

I would have been stumped without your patience and help

there are some fantastic people on this site

Ray x

Thankyou Ray for such kind words but I enjoyed being able to help.

Brenda

That does seem a mystery MB

Why the two twins Fred and Ethel were babtised 7 years apart ?
maybe Ethel was poorly when Fred was baptised in 1894
and then Rebecca lost her husband so maybe Ethels christening
was put on hold ??

Ray

Thank you fior all your help MB

I have PMd you

Ray

Marriages Sep 1908
FINKIN Harry Barnet 3a 767
OLIVER Annie Barnet 3a 767

1911 census transcription details for: 3 Hamilton Road East Finchley N
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN7178 RG78PN352 RD131 SD3 ED20 SN8

Reg. District: Barnet Sub District: Finchley
Parish: Finchley Enum. District: 20
Address: 3 Hamilton Road East Finchley N
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
OLIVER, W Son Single M 22 1889 Gardener Nurseryman Mddx East Finchley London
Mrs OLIVER Head Married F 48 1863 Housekeeper East Finchley London
Mrs FINKEN Daughter Married
8 years F 27 1884 Cook Domestic Mddx East Finchley London
OLIVER, Fred Son Single M 16 1895 Gardener Nurseryman Mddx East Finchley London
OLIVER, Ethel Daughter Single F 16 1895 Domestic Day Work Mddx East Finchley London
FINKEN, Albert Relative Single M 7 1904 Mddx East Finchley London
FINKEN, Mabel Relative Single F 5 1906 Mddx East Finchley London
FINKEN, Connie Relative Single F 2 1909 Mddx East Finchley London
FINKEN, Harry Relative Married M 30 1881 Carman Contractor's Mddx East Finchley London

Hi Moody Blue

Wow! A real labour of love there xxx

I am so grateful for your help in solving all this for me
a massive help indeed x

And Sorry and thanks again to all that helped me out

Very grateful Ray xx

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ames Oliver (should read Annie)
Name: Ames Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 May 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: St Mary, Finchley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
7 Grove Terrace Finchley


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles William Oliver
Name: Charles William Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 May 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: St Mary, Finchley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
7 Grove Terrace Finchley

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Florence Oliver
Name: Florence Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 May 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: St Mary, Finchley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
7 Grove Terrace Finchley

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 26 May 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: St Mary, Finchley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
7 Grove Terrace Finchley

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George Frederick Oliver
Name: George Frederick Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Feb 1894
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: St Mary, Finchley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
address Grove Terrace, Church End Finchley



some confusion???/
Christened after her fathers death, but no mention that he was deceased on the entry ?:-
Wonder why she was not christened same time as her twin?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Ethel Rebecca Oliver
Name: Ethel Rebecca Oliver
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Jul 1901
Father's Name: Thomas Oliver
Mother's Name: Rebecca Oliver
Parish: Holy Trinity, Finchley Road
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
address 3 Hamilton Road


Births Mar 1894
Oliver Ethel Rebecca Barnet 3a 267
Oliver George Frederick Barnet 3a 267

1871 England Census
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah Oliver
Gender: Male
Where born: Langford, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Gamlingay
Town: Gamlingay
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Oliver 26
Hannah Oliver 24
Rosa Oliver 1 Year, 7 Months


His 1st marriage?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Biggleswade
County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 553
spouse:- Hannah Champkins

1881 England Census
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Langford, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Finchley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Red Lion Hill
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Farm Laborer Ag

Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rogers 7
Susan Rogers 35
John Rogers 12
George Rogers 10
Mary Rogers 8
Harry Rogers 5
Herbert Rogers 3
Minnie Rogers 1
William Orgles 7
>>>>>>>Thomas Oliver 35
James Valentine 52

Your Rebecca 1891 with Husband Thomas



1891 England Census
about Rebecca Oliver
Name: Rebecca Oliver
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Lodger Wife (Lodger's Wife)
Spouse's name: Thos Oliver
Gender: Female
Where born: Tetford, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Finchley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:7 Grove Terrace, Regents Park Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Blowing 31
Adela D Blowing 28
>>>>>Thos Oliver 45 general lab born Langford Bedfordshire
>>>>>Rebecca Oliver 33
>>>>>Annie Oliver 9
>>>>>Charles T Oliver 8
>>>>>Beatrice F Oliver 5
>>>>>William Oliver 3
>>>>>Perry Oliver 11 Weeks
George Woodhouse 49
Sarah Woodhouse 47
Alice Woodhouse 17
Albert S Woodhouse 12
Albert E Woodhouse 7/12


possible birth for husband Thomas.........Langford is in Biggleswade district:-

Births Mar 1843
Oliver Thomas Biggleswade 6 67


.his death?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 52
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 151


.Birth of son Percy (listed in above census). This would provide mothers maiden name:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Percy Oliver
Name: Percy Oliver
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 258


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Beatrice Florence Oliver
Name: Beatrice Florence Oliver
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 242

.Charles William (listed as William in above census)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charles William Oliver
Name: Charles William Oliver
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 241

.Charles Thomas listed as Charles T in above census but known as Thomas?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charles Thomas Oliver
Name: Charles Thomas Oliver
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 199

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Apologies if I have led everyone on a wild goose chase

Children of Mr and Rebecca Oliver

Annie c 1882 Charles c 1883 Thomas c 1884 Beatrice F 1886
William c 1888 Percy 1891 and twins Frederick George and
Ethel Rebecca born1894 all born East Finchley

Ray

Hi all

Sorry had to go out and just got back, thank you to everyone
for your help with regards to said marriage, there are some
very helpful people on this site.

All I had to go on is a Rebecca Oliver in the 1901 and 1911 census
down as widowed before 1901,,she states she was born
Tetford Lincolnshire (Lough District) in c 1861
She shows an older son Thomas born c 1882 so assume she married
before this date ? she is in the census living in Barnet,,,East Finchley

If anyone can solve which Mr Oliver she married I would be much obliged
sorry for not getting back to you all earlier

Ray

the other marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Benjamin Oliver
Name: Benjamin Oliver
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Spouse Name: Mary Dalton Burley
Spouse Age: 37
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1879
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Finsbury Park
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Mathew Oliver
Spouse Father Name: William Burley


Benjamin Oliver age 50 widower, Railway Porter, 15 victoria Street Wolverhampton. father Matthew Oliver deceased, Publican

Mary Dalton Burley age 37 spinster, 139 Blackstock Road, father William Burley, Pewterer

Witnesses:
William Burley
Ellen **** Nixon



1881 England Census
about Benjamin Oliver
Name: Benjamin Oliver
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Oliver
Mother's Name: Ellen Perry
Gender: Male
Where born: Righton, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Alma St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Railway Porter

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Oliver 51
Mary Oliver 39
Bertha Oliver 24
Helena Oliver
Ellen Perry 75
Catherine Boddington 8




His 1st marriage? :
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Benjamin Oliver
Name: Benjamin Oliver
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 17
Page: 424
spouse: Susannah Taylor

Are you actually researching Benjamin or Rebecca ?

Benjamin Oliver, 50, widower, 15 Victoria St, Woolverhampton. Father Matthew Oliver, Publican, deceased

Mary Dalton Burley, 37, spinster, 139 Blackstock Rd. Father William Burley, pewterer

?????????

Rebecca is a little bit of a surprise...........on her marriage her year of birth was abt 1854 but.......

Births Mar 1850
Somerset Rebecca Porter Pewsey 8 408

and she also says "spinster" but.........


Marriages Jun 1874
Paddison Charles John Caxton 3b 795
SOMERSET Rebecca Porter Caxton 3b 795

and says father is a Civil Engineer but 1851 census says
Farmer 700 acres 16 men