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I am trying to find details for a Charles Austin born in Yalding in 1895. The 1911 census has him recorded as a son of William and Alice and having a sister Violet. I have been unable to find any record of the family in 1901 and the family query is to whether Charles even existed. While we know of a Charles Austin, he reportedly was previously either John or Albert Brown who changed his name and birth details to Charles Richard Austin. We would love to know if the Charles born in Yalding is John/Albert already having changed his name or whether he actually existed in his own right. Any help would be appreciated! I have looked for a birth record but am unable to discover one.

For ref

AUSTIN, William Head Married
18 years M 41 1870 Labourer Farm Canterbury Kent
AUSTIN, Alice Wife Married
18 years F 49 1862 Char-Woman I of Minge Kent
AUSTIN, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Carter Boy On Farm Yalding Kent
AUSTIN, Voilet Daughter F 14 1897 Yalding Kent

Registration District:
Maidstone Sub District:
Loose Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Otham

Address:
Green Hill Otham Maidstone Kent County:
Kent

1901

AUSTEN, William Head Married M 32 1869 Agricultural Laborer
Canterbury
Kent
AUSTEN, Alice Wife Married F 40 1861
Lyminge
Kent VIEW
AUSTEN, Charles Son M 6 1895
Yalding
Kent
AUSTEN, Voilet Daughter F 4 1897
Yalding
Kent
BROWN, Elise Boarder Single F 19 1882 Serv Domestic
Challock
Kent

Registration District:
Maidstone Sub District:
Yalding Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Yalding St Peter & St Pauls

Civil Parish:
Yalding Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lattingford, Yalding, Laddingford County:
Kent

This looks to be Violets birth record.

Births Mar 1897
Austen Violet Maud Maidstone 2a 770

Many thanks FbG. I have Violet's birth certificate and would now love to find Charles'!

Do you have his marriage cert ?

Still searching all poss births.

Edit

What was Alices maiden name please?

No, not yet. We do know that Lilian Broad married a Charles Richard Austen as these are my grandparents but it's trying to determine whether this Charles Richard is the son of William and Alice or, as he told my father, actually called either John or Albert Brown, son of Alice from her previous marriage to James Brown!

What was Alices maiden name please?

Alice's maiden name was Webb. She was born Cordelia Alice Webb but seems to have never used Cordelia. her first marriage was to James Brown

1891 for Alice?

BROWN, James Head Married M 34 1857 Agricultural Labourer
Challock
Kent
BROWN, Alice Wife Married F 30 1861
Lyminge
Kent
BROWN, James Son M 13 1878
Moldash
Kent
BROWN, Alice Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Challock
Kent
BROWN, John Son M 4 1887
Sheldwich
Kent
BROWN, Albert E Son M 0 (2M) 1891
Hoath
Kent

Registration District:
Blean Sub District:
Sturry Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Hoath

Civil Parish:
Hoath Municipal Borough:
Address:
Maypole Road, Hoath, Maypole County:
Kent

She already has an Albert and a John on here....

I cant find a marriage for her to William Austen/in,have you?

Yep that's her

have you tried this birth ?

Births Jun 1894
Brown Charles Richard
Maidstone 2a 688

No record of the marriage as yet to William Austen, but I do have Violet's birth certificate. Of course it is possible that they just claimed to be married when in fact they weren't. I haven't yet found a death record for James Brown either

Thanks Barbara, I hadn't found that one so will give it a try. Fingers crossed!

There are 2 births that could be him as Brown.


Births Jun 1894

Brown Charles Richard Maidstone 2a 688

Births Dec 1894

Brown Charles Richard Maidstone 2a 700

Thank you Barbara.

I just noticed the other one too
but maybe not either !!!

1901 census


1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Charles Brown
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel Brown
Mother's Name: Julia Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Maidstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Union Street

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Brown 38
Julia Brown 36
Alice Brown 12
William Brown 9
Charles Brown 7
Nellie Brown 5
Louis Brown 3
Michael Brown 1


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 766; Folio: 11; Page: 14.

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and

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Charles Brown
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Eli Brown
Mother's Name: Kate Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Yalding, Kent, England

Civil parish: Yalding
Ecclesiastical parish: Yalding St Margarets
Town: Yalding
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: birds farm cottages
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: Yalding
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members: Name Age
Eli Brown 50
Kate Brown 39
Frederick Brown 15
Kate Brown 14
Levi Brown 10
Charles Brown 7
Leonard Brown 2


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 761; Folio: 65; Page: 19.

Do you have an exact date of birth for him at all Daryl?

Then you may be able to have a better chance of sending for the most possible correct birth of the 2 IF either are him of course.

Unfortunately, if Charles Richard was telling the truth he was born as either Albert or John Brown. If he was lying, then he was born as Charles Richard Austin which is the name he married under. Now I know that Charles Austin existed in 1901, it seems likely to me that he was telling a few fibs! He had also claimed that his grandmother came from Ireland, well no matter which Grandmother he was talking about, I can find no record of Irish descent anywhere, so he does seem to have been telling a lie or two!

The birth date he gave was for 1897 which is when Violet was born, so it seems likely that again, this was a lie. Ever wanted to throttle one of your long-gone relatives???? lol

Yes..My maternal grandmother.

When I said exact date of birth I meant day and month,years are not so useful as they are often out as we all know.


I f you apply for both those certs and put that mothers maiden name is Webb at least you will get your money back in full from GRO if none of them are him.

I think there is every possibility that he is one of the Charles Richard Brown births and quite likely by looking at the evidence on the census that he is most probably the son of William Austen/in.

If that is the case then he may not have a fathers name on his birth cert(when/if we find one for you) as that is what happened with my Nan.

Her parents were married to other people and just lived together,so she was reg in her mothers married name with no father on her cert,as were all her younger siblings.