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I have broached this subject before and received some good information. However I remain stuck in a rut and am hoping someone with access to more information might help me out.
I am trying to find any record of the following births:
MARGARET OXLEY c.1832 SCOTLAND
JOSEPH OXLEY c. 1833 SCOTLAND
JAMES OXLEY c.1837 SCOTLAND
Their mother is called Margaret Oxley (possibly nee Haldane) and the father of a later sibling MARY WILKIN is listed as George Oxley on the IGI index. I'd really appreciate any help.

their is a tree on ancestry that lists this family the dates appear correct so far as i can tell

1841 England Census
Civil parish: Winlaton
Hundred: Chester (West Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Low Town End Winlaton
Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Winlaton

Margaret Oxley 28 Scotland
Margaret Oxley 9 Scotland
Joseph Oxley 8 Scotland
James Oxley 4 Scotland
Wilkinson Oxley 1 1/2 Not in Co Durham

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 302; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Winlaton; County: Durham; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 12; Page: 21; Line: 11; GSU roll: 241349.

[Ancestry has a contributed alteration for Wilkinson's pob, viz. Newcastle (Gallowgate), Northumberland, England]

You might contact the contributor - if you don't have Ancestry, I'll forward a message if you pm it to me. However, the contributor hasn't used Ancestry for over 6 months.

This looks like the same family in 1851.

Name: Margaret Oxley
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Disability: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Oxley 40 b. Scotland
Joseph Oxley 17 Coal Miner, b. Scotland
James Oxley 14 Coal Miner, b. Scotland
Wilkinson Oxley 11
Mary W Oxley 9
Joseph Russek 21 Boarder
Margaret Russek 19 Boarder

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2398; Folio: 25; Page: 43; GSU roll: 87076.



So this birth certificate will give Margaret's husband's name and her maiden surname?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1839 (>99%)
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Oxley Wilkinson Newcastle on Tyne 25 337

Sorry, I've been offline for a while. I have the above information, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough, but am really grateful for your help. I can trace the above family all the way to present without any disruption. I have found the birth records for every member of this family to present day but have been unable to find records for Margaret (mother) or her first 3 children (Margaret, Joseph and James) all of whom were born in Scotland. I was hoping there was somebody out there who had access to records that I've been unable to access. I am unsure of Margaret's maiden name but have found the record of a marriage between Margaret Haldane and George Oxley in Prestonpans East Lothian. George disappears from this point but is listed as Mary's father on her birth record. This suggests he died (?) immediately prior to the 1841 cencus. To be honest I just wanted something a little more conclusive to help me try and go back further. Thanks for all your help so far. It's much appreciated.

Also, I'm not sure how to go about ordering copies of birth certificates. Who would I contact?

For England and Wales certs if you know the GRO reference you can order them from www.gro.gov.uk certs are £9.25 (cheaper than anywhere else) you order them online and are posted to you, usually within 7 days

For Scotland use www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk it's pay per search and generally you can view certs/parish register entries online. Once you have registered with them, you buy credits online

Further to Tempest's post: You can access the GRO via: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Scottish BMDs usually provide more info than English ones. However, civil registration didn't begin there until 1855, so you'll want Old Parish Records. Scottish OPRs are usually more informative than English OPRs. They usually give the mother's MS (maiden surname) on baptisms (actually, they usually don't call her by her married name). If you're lucky, a minimum block of credits might buy 5 images (OPRs, older BMDs, census pages are all same price).

FYI - there's a map showing East Lothian parishes (back then, Haddington, but they've all SCT counties) at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

Thanks for your help. Still unable to find the Scottish births (pah!) but have ordered Wilkinson's birth certificate. Hopefully this will give me more information on his parents. Thanks again.

Statutory Registration did not begin in Scotland until 1855. The next best thing to a birth certificate would be if you were able to find a christening recorded in the OPRs. Most of these refer to Church of Scotland records so if you family belonged to a different church you would have to source those records.

The birth certificate for Wilkinson Oxley born in 1839 in Newcastle upon Tyne is the way forward. That may be the only way to find Margaret's maiden surname for sure. Without Margaret's maiden surname any marriage you find would be based on guesswork.

I had a look at the tree on Ancestry but the source details for Wilkinson's birth is just the reference from Freebmd - not his birth certificate. No source for his marriage and again only the Freebmd reference for his death. If fact for all the children of George Oxley and Margaret "Haldane", there are no sources other than census and freebmd index references.

Please come back and let us know if Margaret was a Haldane (just curious as I know someone who has Adam Haldane in her tree!)

Success! Again, I am truly grateful for everyone's help! (especially you Rootgatherer!) I have received Wilkinson Oxley's birth certificate that confirms he is the son of George Oxley and Margaret (Haldane on the marriage cert. and Halden on Wilk's birth certificate). I found the marriage on Scotland's People. There is no web reference to the earlier children at all. I know many online records are incomplete, do you think it would be worthwhile looking at Parish records in Edinburgh? They married in Prestonpans Parish Church which is just down the road. would anyone know whether they would be held at the city library? I'm sorry to be a pain!

Since they wed in a C of S kirk, and there were a lot less restrictions on where one could wed in Scotland, I would expect any baptisms to appear in the C of S OPRs, held by SP. Since they probably wed in Margaret's parents' parish, not necessarily where they lived, they might not be in the Prestonpans OPRs.

Beverley, looking on the Familysearch website, it doesn't look as though Margaret herself was christened in the Church of Scotland. It might be that, although married in C of S her family may have belonged to a different church. If that were the case then I am not sure that those records would be on Scotlandspeople. It may be that the older children were never christened so there are no records of their births.

The National Archives of Scotland have these records

Reference Title Date
CH2 Records of Church of Scotland synods, presbyteries and kirk sessions 1569-2006
Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference CH2/307
Title Records of Prestonpans Kirk Session (Salt Preston)
Dates 1595-1981
Access status Open
Location Off site
Admin history Pre-reformation there existed an ancient chapel at Preston which was a vicarage of the Abbey of Holyrood. The chapel however was burnt down during Hertford's invasion in 1544 and was never repaired. Prestonpans parish was originally distributed into two baronies, that of Preston and of Pans, and the two, for a time after 1544, became attached to Tranent. In 1595 however the General Assembly declared Prestonpans to be a parish quoad sacra and a new church was built in 1596. The parliament of Perth, in 1606, erected the newly built church into a parish church, which was originally to be called the parish kirk of Preston. The session of Prestonpans Preston was united with the United Free Church Session of Prestonpans Grange in 1981 to form the parish of Prestonpans Prestongrange. The kirk session of Prestonpans (Preston) sat within the Presbytery of Haddington, later Haddington and Dunbar and currently of Lothian.



Reference Title Date
CH3 Records of Free, United Presbyterian (UP), United Free (UF) and Other Protestant Churches 1725-1891
Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference CH3/267
Title Prestonpans Free Church (later United Free and Grange Church of Scotland) merged with Preston C of S in 1981
Dates 1843-1982
Access status Open
Location Off site



You could try searching the NAS online catalogue for "East Lothian Church" and that may give you an idea of any other possible churches in the area.

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Adam Haldane m. Elizabeth Lowden Oct 16 1772
adam born 1746, Longniddry, e.lothian.
died jan 05 1837

James 1776
Adam 1778
David 1780
Mark 1782

More About Adam Haldane:
Occupation: Shoemaker.

More About Adam Haldane and Margaret Muir:
Marriage: Abt. 1802

Children of Adam Haldane and Margaret Muir are:
Alexander Haldane, b. 1804, d. date unknown.
Margaret Haldane, b. 1806, d. date unknown.
Mark Haldane, b. 1808, d. date unknown.
George Haldane, b. 1810, d. 1872.
David Haldane, b. 1812, d. date unknown.
James Haldane, b. 1815, d. date unknown.
Helen Haldane, b. 1818, d. date unknown.

Rootgatherer strikes again! Although this time it was inadvertently haha! I couldn't access NAS ONLINE due to site refurbishment but decided in my disappointment to mosey around some links. I may have unearthed two more generations of the Haldane clan. Details are very sketchy as I have no references but I will persevere! I'm so excited that it's tragic.

Magaret 1806? She keeps getting older!?!

That's great Beverley. I must let my friend know as I think it is Mark Haldane's daughter Ann that is her direct line. That's just from memory so I will speak to her later.

I think that you will find some of those Hadane children on the 1841 census with their families. I am fairly sure that Mark is on it anyway. Remember that the 1841 is pretty well covered on Freecen.

I have come across this family on familysearch.org.

Henry Oxley (c.1707) married (09/01/1732) Anne Wilkinson (c,1709)
In St. Peters, Bywell, Northumberland.

Children:
George b. 24/03/1734 (married Mary Calley 05/06/1777)
Isabel b. 30/03/1735
Henry b. 08/02/1736
Dorothy b. 25/12/1739
Philip b. 11/02/1740
Wilkinson b.26/02/1748 (married Mary Proud 1786)
Mary b. 31/01/1754
Jane b.23/04/1756

It may be that one of the above children is the father of my elusive George. It could also explain where the name Wilkinson originated, as this name is repeated throughout generations right up until the 1900s. If this is the case it would mean there were never Scottish Oxley's at all!

There is only 1 set of Banns ,so both were in that parish.May be more info on the banns in Scotlandspeople.

Ellen

A few other Haldanes being married in the parish ,but just George Oxley.

Ellen

JAMES OXLEY Pedigree
Male
Christening: 04 DEC 1690 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: JAMES OXLEY Family
Mother: JANET CAMPBELL

in the area a long time