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iam trying to find the death of my gggrandfather,john mcneill born 1857 i think in bacup lancashire,he married elizabeth bradbury in 1880 at oldham parish church,my problem's start at the 1901 census i cannot find the family,they lived at 54 hartshead street ,lees,oldham lancs.(at a time it was under cheshire).
all their children were born at this address up to 1899,
they do not come up on the 1901 census at genes?
not sure were to look now,if anyone could find john ,and when he died it would be most appreciated.
thank's martyn.




i have looked on freebmd cheshire bmd family search

Is this the right family in 1901?

1901 England Census
about Agnes McNiell Name: Agnes McNiell
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John McNiell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A McNiell
Gender: Female
Where born: Lees, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Lees
Ecclesiastical parish: Leesfield St Thomas
Town: Lees
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Rhodes Hill House

Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Knott Lanes
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 270
Household Members: Name Age
John McNiell 45
Elizabeth A McNiell 39
John Saml McNiell 19
Thomas McNiell 15
Agnes McNiell 12
Ethel McNiell 6

If the 1901 is correct, then this is the 1911 for them

MCNEILL, John Head Married M 54 1857 Laborer Textile Works Lancs Bacup
MCNEILL, Elizabet Ann Wife Married 30 years F 48 1863 Lancs Oldham
MCNEILL, Thomas Son Single M 25 1886 Card Room Grinder Cotton Spinning Lanca Lees Nr Oldham
MCNEILL, Agnes Daughter Single F 22 1889 Card Room Engine Head Tenter Cotton Spinning Lanca Lees Nr Oldham
MCNEILL, Ethel Daughter Single F 16 1895 Card Room Rover Tenter Cotton Spinning Lanca Lees Nr Oldham

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24441 Reference:
RG14PN24441 RG78PN1403 RD469 SD1 ED3 SN142

Registration District:
Oldham Sub District:
Oldham East Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Oldham

Address:
10 Regent Street

hi ninjalady,
yes that is them,my ggrandmother was ethel,why could i not find them,
thank's for your info now i have just got to find his death.
thank you martyn

This looks like it could be the death for Elizabeth McNeill in 1918

Deaths Mar 1918
McNeill Elizabeth A 56 Oldham 8d 915

So, its possible John may not have died in Oldham. Have you traced all the children to see where they ended up? You may find a death for John in a different area if he lived with one of his children.

Looks like his birth was possibly in West Derby, Liverpool - perhaps he died there?

thank's for that ninja,
only john to go now

Do you have the death certificate for Elizabeth?

If she was a widow that would be stated on the certificate - in which case you would be looking for a death for John between 1911 and 1918.

If John registered the death for her then you know he's definitely alive in 1918.

hi ninja,
they had a lot of children,of which only the 4 survived,
i will look into what happened to the other 3 children, thank's for your help,
martyn

no i do not have the cert,as i have only just started on these two,so that will probobly be my next step

This could be Agnes coming back into the country

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Agnes Mcneill
Birth Date: abt 1888
Age: 27
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 29 Apr 1915
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Adriatic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Adriatic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 124061

Address she's going to is 175 Frederick Street, Oldham
Country of last residence - Canada
It gives country of future residence as Scotland

thank's for that ,i will do some checking,i have a faint recollection about someone going to canada.

You could contact Oldham Library to see if they could look at the electoral roll for 1915 to see who was living at 175 Frederick Street.

They may or may not do look ups and may or may not charge for the service, but its worth a try.

thank's i will do that

Aaah, looks like there were two Agnes McNeill's in Oldham in 1911 - so possibly the lady going abroad may not be yours

Household MCNEILL, Agnes 1889 22 F Oldham Lancashire
Household MCNEILL, Agnes 1888 23 F Oldham Lancashire

Possible marriage for one of the Agnes'

Marriages Sep 1913
Hey Richard McNeill Oldham 8d 1503
McNeill Agnes Hey Oldham 8d 1503


Looking at the children born to this marriage, the first child is called Elizabeth (after Agnes' mother perhaps?) and then there's Thomas, Jane, Joseph, Mary, Violet and Ethel.

Possible death of Richard Hey

Deaths Dec 1930
Hey Richard 48 Oldham 8d 866

Possible re-marriage for Agnes

Marriages Sep 1931
Goodier William Hey Oldham 8d 2293
Hey Agnes Goodier Oldham 8d 2293

and possible death for Agnes McNeill/Hey/Goodier

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Agnes Goodier
Birth Date: 19 May 1888
Death Registration Month/Year: 1980
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 0076

Which would fit with this birth, which looks like the birth for your Agnes

Births Jun 1888
MCNEILL Agnes Ashton 8d 450

hi ninja,
sorry for the delay,i keep losing the internet or it keeps running very slow.
yes the marriage is agnes also the birth,
she had i think 2 children,
thank's for the info,
martyn.

i have no knowledge of the 2 mcneill boy's,so i have quite a bit to do with this family yet

just checked hey birth's,8 born,3 death's,
living children,
elizabeth-1914.
thomas 1915.
jane 1920.
mary 1923.
the last nellie born1928, mmn spelt mcneal ? not sure about this one .

Well, it looks like John Samuel McNeill from the 1901 census died in 1925

Deaths Mar 1925
McNeill John S 43 Oldham 8d 1198


This looks like him in 1911

MCNEILL, John Samuel Husband Married M 29 1882 Bali Breaker In Cotton Mill Lanc Lees
MCNEILL, Rose Wife Married F 33 1878 Notts Worksop
MCNEILL, Hector Son M 5 1906 Lanc Lees
MCNEILL, Alec Son M 3 1908 Lanc Lees
MCNEILL, Harry Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Lanc Lees

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26177 Reference:
RG14PN26177 RG78PN1512 RD494 SD1 ED3 SN75

Registration District:
Saddleworth Sub District:
Springhead Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Springhead

Address:
3 Houghtons Fold Austerlands Near Oldham

Married 6 years, three children born alive, 3 still alive in 1911

Marriages Jun 1905
****DREW Rose Ashton 8d 861
GARSIDE Sarah Ashton 8d 861
Mace James Ashton 8d 861
****McNEILL John Samuel Ashton 8d 861


Looks like one more child born after 1911

Births Dec 1913
McNEILL Marion Drew Saddleworth 9a 364

thank's ninja,
i have been looking at agnes's children for birth's & death's,
as lancashire bmd has not got oldham death's transcribed yet,i keep moving to free bmd,

Possible marriage for Thomas McNeill

Marriages Jun 1917
Fitton Hannah McNeill Oldham 8d 992
McNeill Thomas Fitton Oldham 8d 992

Can't see any McNeill/Fitton births so they either didn't have children or perhaps Hannah Fitton was a widow and therefore the mmn would be different.