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Dennis
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6 Oct 2010 13:40 |
I am trying to find any relatives or details on a Thomas Angus Craig born 1904 in Glasgow - parents Alexander Craig and Alice Paterson - parents married in Belfast in 1887.
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Potty
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6 Oct 2010 14:26 |
Are you looking for living relatives or trying to go backwards?
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6 Oct 2010 14:55 |
Both - majority of family unknown so trying to find siblings of wife's mother or living descendants of any aunts and uncles of my wife. Want to know what family circumstances were for two sisters to come to London from Glasgow and do what they did. I do know that my wife has 8 siblings/half siblings and have only managed to locate and talk with two but they know little more (or even less) than we do.
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6 Oct 2010 15:15 |
Do you have Alexander and Alice's marriage cert? That would give their ages and fathers' names and occupations.
Have you found them on the 1901 census?
Have you searched in trees on this site to see if anyone has them in their tree?
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6 Oct 2010 15:22 |
If Alexander and Alice died in Scotland then their death registrations will give their parent's names including their mother's maiden surnames - if the informant knew the details.
Where in Ireland did they marry please? (Birth certificate of a child born in Scotland gives the date and place of the parents marriage)
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Sorry see you have said Belfast.
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Potty
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6 Oct 2010 15:26 |
This looks like the marriage reg - there is an Alice Patterson with the same details:
Name: Alexander Craig Registration District: Belfast Event Type: MARRIAGES Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1887 Estimated Birth Year: Age (at Death): Mother's Maiden Name: Film Number: 101255 Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 287 Digital Folder Number: 4179726 Image Number: 00340 Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
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6 Oct 2010 15:34 |
Looks as if Thomas Angus had a brother:
Name James Craig Gender Male Baptism/Christening Date Baptism/Christening Place Birth Date 06 Feb 1891 Birthplace Camlachie, Lanark, Scotland Death Date Name Note Race Father's Name Alexander Craig Father's Birthplace Father's Age Mother's Name Alice Paterson Craig Mother's Birthplace Mother's Age Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01956-4 System Origin Scotland-EASy Source Film Number 255136 Reference Number v 644-2 p 120
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6 Oct 2010 15:48 |
This looks like the family in 1891:
1891 Scotland Census about Alice Craig Name: Alice Craig Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Alexander Craig Gender: Female Where born: Countydown, Ireland Registration Number: 644/2 Registration district: Camlachie Civil parish: Glasgow Camlachie Town: Glasgow County: Lanarkshire Address: 239 Broad St ED: 48 Household schedule number: 73 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1891_245 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Craig 24 b Glasgow Alice Craig 25 b Glasgow EDIT - b County Down Alexander Craig 4 b County Down James Craig 2 MO
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6 Oct 2010 15:53 |
Alex and Alice marriage details Marriage: Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 02 May 1887 Groom Name alexander CRAIG Bride Name alice PATTERSON Church Saint Annes Church of Ireland Parish Shankill Civil District Belfast County Antrim
No one appears to have anything on this family on this site - have tried one branch but no response
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6 Oct 2010 15:56 |
Thanks Pam for the possible brother will look into this. So it also looks like Alice is the Irish connection and not Alexander (unless they both were?).
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6 Oct 2010 16:00 |
Alice Craig death (married to Alexander Craig - Irondresser) 7 December 1907 3h 50m PM 1 Bowlinggreen Terrace, Glasgow 39 Years Father - Thomas Paterson - Farmer (deceased) Mother - Margaret Paterson m/s Paterson (deceased) Cause of death - Pelvic cellulitis Registered by A Craig - Son BRIDGETON - GLASGOW
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Potty
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6 Oct 2010 16:01 |
The 1901 confuses things a bit as it looks as if Alice has remarried (unless she and Sarah have been mistranscribed - don't have any credits on scotlandspeople to check the image):
Name: James Craig Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Alice Dougan Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/2 Registration district: Camlachie Civil parish: Glasgow Camlachie County: Lanarkshire Address: 20 Marlborough St Occupation: Scholar ED: 3 Household schedule number: 109 Line: 15 Roll: CSSCT1901_267 Household Members: Name Age Alice Dougan 40 b Ireland Alexander Craig 14 b Ireland James Craig 10 b Glasgow Alice Craig 5 b Glasgow Sarah Dougan 2 b Rosennia Craig 16 b Glasgow, boarder
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rootgatherer
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6 Oct 2010 16:07 |
There is 1 Alice Paterson other surname Craig born 1867 +/- 2 years death on Scotlandspeople. The death waas registered in Glasgow in 1901. Have you eliminated that as a possibility for your Alice please?
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I see you have that now - looks like your Alice.
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Dennis
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6 Oct 2010 16:12 |
Hi Linda
Not checked that death as I had the 1907 entry which fitted the details (my entry two above here). This looks like it's going to get into a common surname and Christian name pot - already have possible Kelly's married to Kelly's.
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6 Oct 2010 16:17 |
Possible for Alexander in 1901:
1901 Scotland Census about Alexander Craig Name: Alexander Craig Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relationship: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 622/2 Registration district: Shettleston Civil parish: Shettleston County: Lanarkshire Address: Off Cumbernanld Road Glasgow Occupation: General Labourer ED: H M General Prison Dennis, if I were you, I would buy some credits on scotlandspeople to check out the image for the 1901.
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Potty
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6 Oct 2010 16:33 |
I wonder if this is the Rosina from the 1901 - POB differs but father James is an ironworker. The two youngest children b Ireland, all the rest b Glasgow:
1891 Scotland Census about Rosina Craig Name: Rosina Craig Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: James Craig Mother's Name: Sarah Craig Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 644/1 Registration district: Bridgeton Civil parish: Glasgow Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 8 Trafalgar St Occupation: Scholar ED: 51 Household schedule number: 169 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1891_240 Household Members: Name Age James Craig 45 Sarah Craig 45 Sarah Craig 14 James Craig 12 John Craig 7 Rosina Craig 5
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6 Oct 2010 16:41 |
Do you have Alexander's father's name (from the marriage cert)? because looking at this for 1871 (EDIT: 1881), I wonder if the family above is his:
1881 Scotland Census about Alexander Craig Name: Alexander Craig Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Son Father's Name: James Craig Mother's Name: Sarah Craig Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/4 Registration district: Calton Civil parish: Glasgow Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 17 Landressy St Occupation: Iron Dresser (App) ED: 76 Household schedule number: 32 Line: 20 Roll: cssct1881_225 Household Members: Name Age James Craig 36 Sarah Craig 36 Alexander Craig 14 Sarah Craig 4 James Craig 2 Samuel C Craig 1 MO
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6 Oct 2010 16:56 |
Hi Pam
Have these which give various Alexander's
1881 - need to find actual name of father of Alexander..
Alexander Craig Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Margeret Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration district: Calton Civil parish: Glasgow Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 92 Main St Occupation: Iron Moulder Household Members: Name Age Margeret Craig 55 Alexander Craig 16 Elizabeth K Craig 14 George S Craig 12
1871 Alexander Craig Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Alexander Mother's Name: Margaret Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Registration district: Calton Civil parish: Glasgow Calton County: Lanarkshire Address: 17 Tureen Street Occupation: Scholar Household Members: Name Age Alexander Craig 40 Margaret Craig 43 Ann Craig 16 Janet Craig 14 Rebecka Craig 7 Alexander Craig 6 Elizabeth K Craig 4 George S Craig 1
Name: Alexander Craig Gender: Male Birth Date: 30 Jun 1866 Birthplace: CALTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name: James Craig Mother's Name: Sarah Porter Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11921-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM Source Film Number: 6035516 Reference Number: Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Alexander Craig Gender: Male Birth Date: 04 Oct 1866 Birthplace: ARBROATH,ANGUS,SCOTLAND Father's Name: James Craig Mother's Name: Mary Dear Buick Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11272-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM Source Film Number: 6035516 Reference Number: Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Alexander Craig Gender: Male Birth Date: 01 Dec 1865 Birthplace: HAMILTON,LANARK,SCOTLAND Father's Name: James Craig Mother's Name: Janet Allan Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11647-1 System Origin: Scotland-ODM Source Film Number: 6035516 Reference Number: Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Irelands bmd for marriage entries in 1887 gives these references which show Alexander's father listed as James so possibly this last entry
Surname Firstname Year Fathers Firstname county CRAIG ALEXANDER 1887 JAMES Antrim
Surname Firstname Year Fathers Firstname county PATTERSON ALICE 1887 THOMAS Antrim
EDIT But then James's wife Janet above not Sarah as in your entry?
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6 Oct 2010 17:01 |
May have to take a break and re-think how best to proceed to get information.
Thanks for your help.
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6 Oct 2010 17:11 |
Hi Pam
As I mentioned it is getting confusing - everything would work with Alice remarrying and becoming Dougan by 1901 but then why would she be Alice Craig in the death entry in 1907?
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