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Hi Pam

Thanks I have taken yet another subscription and found four infant deaths so far for chuildren and James and Sarah - would have been helpful if they had put MMN as I've accessed a few records that were similar - those confirmed all had MMNs on the actual records but not on the single credit section.

Regards

Dennis

There are is one death in 1875 for a Helen Craig in Lanarkshire on scotlandspeople and two for Samuels in 1882. None of them have MMN recorded as Porter. This doesn't necessarily mean that that isn't the MMN as not all MMNs have been indexed.

Dennis, although scotlandspeople is a pay-to-view site, it is free to search and by refining the search criteria you can find info like the above.

Could I ask for a lookup on 1891 and 1901 Scottish census for the following Samuel Craig

Name: Samuel Craig
Father: James Craig
Birth: abt 1882 - location
Residence: city, Lanarkshire

He only shows up on the 1881 census under this thread but here is entry on Familysearch site of his birth. Who was he with in 1891 and 1901?

Name: Samuel Cairns Craig
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Feb 1881
Birthplace: Calton, Glasgow, Scotland
Father's Name: James Craig
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Sarah Porter
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01900-7
System Origin: Scotland-EASy
Source Film Number: 232671
Reference Number: v 644-4 p 74
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

This below may be another sister of Samuel so any information on her whereabouts from 1881 would be appreciated - it may be that she died prior to 1881 or may be located with Samuel

Name: Helen Connell Craig
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 06 Oct 1874
Birthplace: BRIDGETON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Craig
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Sarah Porter
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11920-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Regards

Dennis

Thanks Pam and Linda for the additional information.

Dennis

Dennis, there are two John Craig deaths of the right age in Calton on scotlandspeople - sorry but I don't have credits to view.

1851 Census

Name: Sarah Porter
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasg, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Calton
Town: Bridgton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 John St Lane
ED: 34A
Page: 12 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 38
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_148
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Black 27
Jannet Black 24
James Black 2
Martha Black 4 MO
Margaret Porter 26 b. Glasgow, Mill Worker
Alexander Porter 26 b. Glasgow, Hand L Weaver
Sarah Porter 6


Source Citation: Parish: Calton; ED: 34A; Page: 5; Line: 12; Roll 514; Year: 1851.

Can anyone find a death for a John Craig born to this pair (James Craig and Sarah Porter) who was born 1867 - doesn't appear in 1871 census so probably died within the four year period. Here is family search entry for his birth

Name: John Craig
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1867
Birthplace: CALTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Craig
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah Porter
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11921-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

Thanks

Dennis

Found this on genforum which ties in with your findings - 9 years old so not sure if still contactable

Looking for info on Ancestors and decendants of James Craig and Sarah Porter.
James Craig born Circa 1844/46 Belfast Co.Antrim,Ireland Died 07/06/1891 Glasgow.Son of Alexander Craig,Iron Dresser,Journeyman and his wife Margaret Johnston.
Sarah Porter born Circa 1844/46 Died Glasgow 19/09/1897.Daughter of Alexander Porter,Handloom Weaver,Born Circa1825.Died 18/03/1864.& Margaret Dougall
James and Sarah Married on 3/04/1866 at 1 York Street,Hutchestown,Glasgow.
They appear to have had ten children,some of whom were born in Ireland.Their eldest son Alexander was born at 26 Kirk Street Glasgow on 30/06/1866 and was 31 years old when his Mother Died.
The youngest son John Ross Craig (My Grandfather) appears to have been born in Co. Antrim,Ireland circa 1887.He married Elsie Choat/Grant in Hutchestown,Glasgow,on 1st June,1910.He joines the army in Glasgow on 1/09/1914 and was killed in Belgium 1/01/1916.Leaving a wife and three children in Elgin ,Morayshire

Posted by: Kenneth Craig Smith Date: April 24, 2001 at 06:21:05
Looking for siblings and ancestors of my grandfather John Ross Craig, born 10/1886 possibly Belfast.He married Elsie Sarah Choat/grant,born Elgin 05/11/1880,at Glasgow 01/06/1910 .John Ross was Killed In Action at Ypres on 01/01/1916 he had two sons and his daughter was my Mother.He appears to have been the last of ten children.His eldest brother,Alexander Craig,was born30/06/1866 at Calton,Glasgow.The 1881 census has Alexander living with his parents at 17 Landressy Street,Barony,Lanark,
His father James Craig,born either Belfast or Glasgow 1844/1846 and living at 25.1/2 Kirk street,Glasgow,Married Sarah Porter born
circa 1844, on 03/04/1866 at 1 york street,Glasgow.
James died on 07/06/1891.and his usual address was noted as 13 Orr Street,Calton,Glasgow.
His wife Sarah died 19/09/1897 and her usual address was 36 Brown Street ,Glasgow.Her son
Alexander Craig signed the death certificate and presume he lived at the same address

just to thank you all again for your help I now have a graph which seems to work. If you find any trees on the children shown in this thread I'd appreciate knowing.

Best wishes

Dennis

I haven't purchased the birth cert of Thomas Angus - will have to wait for funds again as I've recently spent £150 just getting where I am now. Here is marriage of Thomas Angus Craig aged 20 in 1924

14 November 1924
St Roch's Church - Glasgow
After publication according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church.
Thomas Angus Craig - Boot Finisher (Bachelor) 20 Years
34 Pennt Street, Glasgow
Father - Alexander Craig - Ironmoulder (deceased)
Mother - Alice Craig m/s Paterson (deceased)
Christina Kelly (Spinster) 15 Years
40 Bright Street, Glasgow
Father - John Kelly - Railway Stableman?
Mother - Mary Kelly m/s Kelly
GARNGADHILL - LANARK

Many thanks for the additional help on this part of the family - I seached all names on GR site for those matching the census entries and send queries to any that might match - awaiting reply. I think it is likely that the age 15 in 1871 should be 5 which would make more sense and make dob more of a match.

Will add these to a graph as cross-matching information makes a bit more sense this way.

Best wishes and thanks again.

Dennis

Ellen

Potty has already found Alexander's wife and family in 1901 - just that Alexander is not with them. That's why she posted the census with Alexander Craig as a prisoner in 1901.

Where does it sayThomas Angus Craig 1904 was born.What part of Glasgow.Then we can search the 1901 Scottish Census and see if there is a Alxender Craig at that address then.

Ellen

They also have Newspapers.Burial Records

Ellen

Mitchell Library,Glasgow
Poor Relief Records.If you can't visit yourself ,they will do a search for you.

Ellen

Dennis, it really does look like a mistranscription on the census that has Alice as a Dougan. The child Sarah Dougan is almost certainly a Craig named for Alexander's mother.You do really need to look at the original image on Scotlandspeople. From the death certificate that you have for Alice at the time of her death she was married to Alexander. From that you can take it that Alexander died after 1907. You could look for his death on SP narrowing the search by an approximate year of birth.

I had a look in the National Archives of Scotland catalogue to see if there were any details about the prisoner Alexander Craig in 1901 but no luck, there were no trial papers.

James and Sarah's marriage:

JAMES CRAIG
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH PORTER Family
Marriage: 03 APR 1866 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

So, Alexander's father was James. I am pretty sure that the families I have found in 1891 and 1881 are Alexander's. The facts that James and Alexander have the same occupation and also that James and Sarah were in Ireland at the same time as Alexander are too much of a coincidence for it not to be the right family.

That would make this birth you found look correct:

Name: Alexander Craig
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1866
Birthplace: CALTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Craig
Mother's Name: Sarah Porter
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11921-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

As to Alice being Dougan on the 1901, it is possibly a mistranslation, which is why I suggested that you look at census image on scotlandspeople.

I think this is James and Sarah in 1871, with Alexander's birth mistranscribed - if this Alexander is really 15 his parents would only have been 11 when he was born:

1871 Scotland Census
about Alexander Craig
Name: Alexander Craig
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Craig
Mother's Name: Sarah Craig
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 Duncan St
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_128
Household Members: Name Age
James Craig 26
Sarah Craig 26
Alexander Craig 15
Mary Craig 2
Johnson Craig 3mo
Jean Smith 45 - boarder

There are births on the IGI for Mary and Johns(t)on with parents James Craig and Sarah Porter. There are also births for children born later who do not appear on the 1881 but there is a big gap in the 81 between Alexander and Sarah, so possibly these children died.

Hi Pam

As I mentioned it is getting confusing - everything would work with Alice remarrying and becoming Dougan by 1901 but then why would she be Alice Craig in the death entry in 1907?

Dennis

May have to take a break and re-think how best to proceed to get information.

Thanks for your help.

Dennis