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Michael

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Ginny - another great big thank you for all this research. I have a lot to go on again and will go through all of this very carefully. Can I just ask one thing? You seem to have access to Australian information which I do not appear to have a access to. Are you using other sites for this or is it all through Genesreunited? The information I have from shipping has always come via Australian researchers and help - and I seem unable to find it.

Thanks - - they are found in Liverpool in 1891 - but that same year the family emigrated to Australia. Conrad had married Pauline Carlin in 1891, just before they sailed. Conrad and Pauline returned to the UK and settled in Liverpool almost immediately however, and are found in the 1901 and 1911 census details in Liverpool. My father appears in the 1911 census -Walter Rendell Pedersen, born in 1902. The other brothers and parents stayed in Australia. Christian served in the First World War and was killed in 1917.

And they are still in the UK in 91

1891 England Census
about Christian Pedersen <<<Immigration agent
Name: Christian Pedersen
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma Pedersen
Gender: Male
Where born: W S Norway

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Christian Pedersen 47
Emma Pedersen 48
Carroll Pedersen 20 (Conrad) Interpreter
Walter Pedersen 14
Otto Pedersen 12
Oscar Pedersen 9
Cristian Pedersen 6
Carl Johnson 60
Rose C Bren 30
Maria Movrilyy 32

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Oscar Geo Pedersen
Name: Oscar Geo Pedersen
Death Place: Geelong, Victoria
Age: 39
Father's Name: Christian Pedersen
Mother's Name: Emma Chtte Fooks Hallatt
Registration Year: 1921
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 1777


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Otto Edward Pedersen
Name: Otto Edward Pedersen
Death Place: Kew, Victoria
Age: 81
Father's Name: Christina Pedersen
Mother's Name: Emma Charlott Hallet
Registration Year: 1960
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 8978

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
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Pedersen Otto Edward W. Derby 8b 441



Births Sep 1876 (>99%)
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Pedersen Walter Emil W.Derby 8b 413


Births Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Pedersen Sydney Robert W. Derby 8b 421

Now that is interesting. I cannot think that there would be two Halletts with the same Parental names both called Elizabeth and christened in the same place only 20 months apart. Clearly however it must be the case. I need to check all birth records for the period - also deaths to see whether there was a very young death at that time?

Ive not finished!!

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
about Conrad C Pedersen
Name: Conrad C Pedersen
Birth Date: 1870
Father's Name: Christian Pedersen
Mother's Name: Emma C
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Number: 2605


And they came to the UK

1881 England Census
about Emma C.F. Pedersen
Name: Emma C.F. Pedersen
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Tiverton, Devon, England

Civil parish: Caundle Bishop
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Interpreters Wife

Registration district: Sherborne
Sub-registration district: Yetminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma C.F. Pedersen 38
Conrad P. Pedersen 10
Sydney Pedersen 6
Walter E. Pedersen 4
Otto E. Pedersen 2


All the children except Conrad were born in Liverpool

Very many thanks again for all your work. You have moved things along a good way and I am very grateful.

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1954
Christian Pederson...retired farmer
Name: Emma Pedersen
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1914
State: Victoria
District: Henty
Subdistrict: Brighton, Alexander St

For my benefit!

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Elizabeth Susan Hallett
Name: Elizabeth Susan Hallett
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1837
Christening Date: 8 Jan 1837
Christening Place: Burton Bradstock, Dorset, England
Father's Name: Peter Hallett
Mother's Name: Charlotte



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Elizabeth Ann Hallett
Name: Elizabeth Ann Hallett
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1838
Christening Date: 16 Sep 1838
Christening Place: Burton Bradstock, Dorset, England
Father's Name: Peter Hallett
Mother's Name: Charlotte

No sign of a Margaret....

Now as I said way back when....Susan was actually Elizabeth Susan?

This looks like her passage to Oz

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Emma Hallett
Name: Emma Hallett
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 20 Oct 1865
Arrival Port: Hobsons Bay, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Duke Of Newcastle
Nationality: English and Welsh


Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Emma Hallett
Name: Emma Hallett
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 24 Oct 1865
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Duke Of Newcastle
Nationality: English


Edit; She appears to be alone. I'll take another look to see if margaret is around

Ginny - maybe the only emigrant was Emma? It is very interesting though that 'family legend' has Emma in Australia with a sister Margaret - now clearly that must be wrong for I can find no reference to Margaret Hallett in these,. and i am sure we have the right Halletts - everything else fits. I then wondered whether Margaret had morphed from Martha - but that doesn't seem to be the case either. Strange! Certainly the 'other' Hallett who had emigrated to Australia married a guy called Mr Rendell - about whom I know little else. The name Rendell though has become a family second name - so they were influential.

Do you have the marriage certificate for Emma?

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949
about Emma C F Hallett
Name: Emma C F Hallett
Spouse Name: Christian Pederseh
Marriage Date: 1869
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Number: 543

Im still with you Gael!

Michael these look promising for Elizabeth but you need certs

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
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HALLETT Elizabeth Kingston 2a 407

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Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
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HALLETT Elizabeth Kingston 2a 456

Ginny - you are amazing! Many thanks for that . I t looks as though the Fooks familty all pulled together when Peter died and made certain that the children and Charlotte were looked after. All farmers in those days would be glad of a little extra help, since everything was very labour intensive, but it also says something about the family strength too.

Then maybe not Ginny!!!
edit: meaning Elizabeth's death
However, Ginny there appears to be an Elizabeth and Susan on the 1841 Census.

Susan was born Elizabeth Susan...am I right?

Heres the sisters in 71

1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Hallett
Name: Elizabeth Hallett
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Burton Bradstock, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Kingston On Thames
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Kingston
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Powell 46
Elizabeth Powell 35
Isabell Powell 11
Frederick Powell 9
Annie Powell 8
Martha Clayton 24
Gertrude Harries 25
Cassey Blackaby 19
Susanna Gubbins 15
Elizabeth Hallett 31<<<<<<<
Martha Hallett 26 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Emma Blunden 32
Henry Harrison 32
Frederick Parker 20
William Procter 22
Frederick Sands 20
Albert Lancaster 17
Harry Craddock 20

And a possible for Frances ???

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
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DUNFORD George Bridport 5a 675
HALLET Frances Bridport 5a 675