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Hi everyone,
Helen I have jsut got my laptop and printer back from the repair shop thanks for all the info you have sent me I rally appreciate it you spent a lot of time researching for me. Thanks. I am going to look at the poorhouse records in the mItchell on Tue and will update you on my findings.
Linda

Hi everyone,
Just a quick note I have to take my laptop and printer in for repair (just as I was getting somewhere) the printer is driving me nuts keps reinstalling and then not printing!!
I will send a post when I get them back.
Thanks to everyone.
Linda

Hi rootgatherer,
According to Anns DC the poorhouse was in Glasgow it would have been nice to think her children were visiting her when they were in Edinburgh and would have told us why they were there.
As I said I am going to look at the poorhouse application in the Mitchell on Tue night (I am starting a 6 week course on Family History)
I will post my findings. Thanks for all your help and advice.
Linda

Linda, Ann was almost certainly in the poor house because she was ill. At that time most ordinary people couldn't afford the services of the medical profession so if they had a long term illness they often ended up in the poorhouse. As has already been said, poor relief applications can often give quite a bit of detail and you may be able, from the application to verify that her children were indeed visiting in Edinburgh. It may even tell you if it was relatives that they were with.

Hi Helen,
i did stay logged in but your reply didnt come up until I clicked back into Trying to find! Anyway thanks for that I will get it printed off when my printer is repaired..Just in case you havent had time to do it 2moro I need to take my printer and laptop into the workshop and may not get it back until the weekend.
If anyone has done a post to me and I dont reply this is why as soona as I get them back I will check in again. Once again Helen thanks for everything.
Night night all

Looks like Bakers have been running through the Brodie genes.

This is as far back as I've found for your Brodie ancestors. James Brodie and his wife Janet Purves in the 1841 census.

Piece: SCT1841/713 Place: North Berwick -East Lothian Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: North Berwick-Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 6
Address: High Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BRODIE James M 50 Baker East Lothian
BRODIE Janet F 50 East Lothian
BRODIE Peter M 18 East Lothian
BRODIE Thomas M 15 East Lothian
BRODIE George M 12 East Lothian
BRODIE Agnes F 10 East Lothian
BRODIE David M 8 East Lothian
BRODIE James M 8 East Lothian
SKED Alison F 20 Female Servant East Lothian
EDGAR Robert M 20 Male Servant Outside Census County (1841)
BERTRAM Andrew M 20 Baker Jrnymn East Lothian


1851 census:

Piece: SCT1851/713 Place: North Berwick -East Lothian Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: North Berwick Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 8 Schedule: 34
Address: High Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BRODIE James Head M M 61 Baker East Lothian - Whittingham
BRODIE Janet Wife M F 59 Wife East Lothian - Innerwick
BRODIE George Son U M 21 Baker East Lothian - North Berwick
BRODIE Agnes Daur U F 19 Daur East Lothian - North Berwick
Page: 0/9 BRODIE David Son U M 17 Farm Apprentice East Lothian - North Berwick
BROWN Sarah Servnt U F 19 Servnt East Lothian - East Linton
DIXON Alexander Servnt U M 19 Servnt Baker East Lothian - East Linton


Father: James Brodie
Mother: Janet Purves

Their children: (some of which can be seen on the census above)

All born East Lothian
Robert: 1812
James: 1814
Agnes: 1816
Janet: 1818
Frances: 1820
Peter: 1823
Thomas and Hugh: 1826 (Twins)
George: 1828
Agnes: 1820
David: 1833

You can see from the 1851 census, Janet Brodie (Purves) says she was born in Innerwick, East Lothian. This might be a possible christening for her.

Janet Purves
18th June 1791
Innerwick, East Lothian

Father: Robert Purves
Mother: Agnes Underwood


I can't find a marriage for Robert and Agnes... but this might be Agnes' death:

Scotlandspeople: Old Parish Registers: Deaths and Burials
Only 1 match coming up for these names.

Agnes Purves / Underwood (cross-ref names)
1820
County: East Lothian
Parish: North Berwick

Added all the info under one post as it might be easier to keep track of.

Hi Helen ,
I am really interested in seeing what you have discovered dont mind you posting it . I want to thank everyone for all their help especially yourself and Catherine. Catherine it was a stroke of genius how you found my GG John on the census I would never have thought of going down that avenue.
I will post my findings re Ann after I have ben to the Mitchell on Tue night.
Just out of interest as I said I am really new to this but I managed to find my other GG who had disappeared also (what is it with my family) found he was put into Quarriers and sent to Canada got loads of info from Quarriers re him.
So if I can do it anyone can (alright up to a point till you get stuck like I did)
The GG you have helped me find was married 2 had 9 children and was a treasurer for the union of bakers and confetioners when he died a lot of the union ppl and the then Lord Provost of Glasgow were at his funeral.
As you will understand it is really great to fill in the missing bits re his life.
I would just love to find out if the Fergusons were his paternal family.
will stay logged on I really love how everyone on this board has been so helpful I know how much time it takes to find everything.

I agree with you. None of these census appear to be your Ann.

I've been having a look further back into your family research based on the latest information you sent on the Brodie family. I've found bits and pieces which I'm happy to post if you want.

I won't add it now just in case you want to try searching it out yourself.

Helen,
Just a quick check in b4 t found ur reply. I have got 2 Ann Clarks on the 1861 Census
1st in Glasgow (cant make out the address) Ann is the head of the household, widowed, 54yrs and a silk winder POB Glasgow her niece Christina Stuart age22 also a winder is staying with her. dont think this is her as we know Robt still alive.
2nd is at 23 Renfrew St Glasgow we have
Robert clark/Head/marr/56/Upholsterer
Ann clark/wife/52 I cant make out the POB
dont think these match up as the Ann in the poorhouse wa 54 when she died

Linda,

Your research is fairly moving on !

What a lucky find in tracing Ann in the Poor Law records. Some are more informative than others but sometimes you can find out loads of extra information that you won’t find anywhere else. I’ve a good few of my own ancestors listed and have built up quite a sense of the person and their circumstances at the time.

You say you found Robert in the 1861 census … registered as married. Maybe Ann might be found in Barnhill Poorhouse (or at another address) at the time of the 1861 census registered under her maiden name of Clark.

Hopefully when you read up on her, the information may begin to explain why she went to Barnhill in the first place and why she was still there three years later. She may even have came out in the intervening years and returned there just prior to her death. This happened in the case of my own GGG Grandmother.

Hi Helen,
Just another update I found the 1861 Census entry eventually! Doh!!!
It gives Robert as a lodger/married/45yrs/traveller for Printing/POB Haddington North Berwick. Eurika!! Now why was poor Ann left in the poorhouse for 3 years? I am signing out now as I have to get to the shops to replenish the cupboards its like Old Mother Hubbard!
Will log in again after t time once again many thanks to all

Hi Helen,
I posted a reply to you a while ago it seems to have gone walkabout I have tried to get the 1861 Census for Robert but cant find the one that Catherine found any idea where Im going wrong can you tell me what I shd enter for county/city/district I have tried Glasgow/Edinburgh and Fife Am I being really dumb here where am I going wrong? I really appreciate everyones help here I am (obviously) new to this only started 2 months ago!
Helen while I was waiting on your reply to my missing post I didnt waste time I contacted the Mitchell Library who have confirmed that it is Ann in the poorhouse!!! Over the phone could only confirm her full name is Ann Thomson Clark aged 52 years DOB 1809 from Dunfermline and that the date of application was 1861. I have asked to see the original application and am going into the Mitchell on tues 26/10 so will update you then. i cannot believe how much further forward I have got in my search thanks to everone I would never have found this on my own.

Linda,

My thoughts are the Robert Brodie you found born in North Berwick and the Robert who registers Haddington, Berwick on the census records are one and the same person.

Robert Brodie - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 APR 1812 North Berwick, East Lothian, Scotland

Haddington is about 10miles from North Berwick and possibly although the baptisms were registered in the main church of the time ... in North Berwick, possibly Robert actually lived in Haddington and so puts Haddington as his place of birth on the census return.

I also think the Robert Brodie Catherine found in the 1861 census is the correct person. Same birth year and place of birth.

Don't know why his wife, Ann, is not with him. It would be interesting to see the original census image to see if Robert is calling himself a widower or still married at this time. You could download this image from Scotlandspeople if you choose ... or you could find this census image at the Mitchell Library for free. You already have the address (204 Holm St) and so, the image would be easy to find on the 1861 roll of film.

Hi Helen and Catherine,
I thought I was determined but I have learned how addictive this family history is. thanks for all the help you are giving me.
James Brodies marr in St Andrews Edinburgh 1867 states his father as Robert Brodie - commercial traveller and mother as Ann Thomson Brodie MS Clark (dec)
His DC in 1889 in Moulin Perth states same parents but both are dec.
i have the census for 1861 where it shows James and Isabella in Edinburgh she was born in Sunderland England as posted earlier I have got a copy of her BC and the parents are Robert and Ann. I cant find Robert or Ann in 1861 census I still have some credits left for SP if you can think of anything I can check to help us out. Re Robert Brodie his death cert in 1885 Dunfermline Fife states his parents as James Brodie and Janet Brodie MS Purvis using this info I found their MC 24/8/1810 and his (as I thought BC in the parish of Norh Berwick on 4/4 1812.
What do yo both think am I on the right track or is it the one in Haddington that i cant find. Sorry it took me so long to reply but I was searching SP with no luck also got e-mail from the cousin in USA she got John Brodies DOB from her mums (his daughter) photo album.
I think I'm getting more confused1

Thanks Catherine,

I was trying to determine if Ann Brodie was still alive at this point.

She may well have been ... but living separately from Robert. (Longshot guess: Maybe under her maiden name of Clark.)

That 1861 census could be Robert Brodie ... commercial traveller .... as recorded before.

It's a pity Ancestry don't record whether the person is a Widower or Married.

Linda would have to download the original image from Scotlandspeople in order to find this information.

Unfortunately it's a costly business.

Helen

I think this is Robert in 1861.

Name: Robert Brodie
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: North Berwick, Haddington
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 204 Holm Street
Occupation: Traveller For Printing
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_105
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah McConnick 30
Robert Griesson 22
Elizabeth Greerson 18
David Cruthers 17
Robert Brodie 45
Alexander Drummond 30

The last I see Ann is 1851 with the children and I think her brother. In 1861 it looks like the children are in Edinburgh as visitors (not 100%).

Catherine

Catherine,

Can you see either Ann Brodie or Robert Brodie on the 1861 census ?

I don't have access to Ancestry.

James Brodie's mother (recorded as Ann Thomson Clark) was deceased when he married Jane Blair in 1867.

Linda I agree with Helen that the death in 1864 was probably the mother. You can search the Poorhouse records at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.

Robert Brodie name is incorrectly transcribed on Ancestry and he is listed as father in law. But here it is:

Roblia Brodie
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Father-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Haddington, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 644/6
Registration district: Blythswood
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 18 Finlay St
Occupation: Labourer Farnister & Works
ED: 52
Household schedule number: 30
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_134
Household Members:
Name Age
James Brodie 29
Jane Brodie 29
Roblia Brodie 58
Isabella Stevenson 28

Charlotte Niven Cowan Brodie died in Airdrie in 1903.

Catherine

You mention you have James Brodie's marriage and death certificate.

Could you give his mother's name from both these certificates.

Linda,

It's a pity the death certificate for Ann Brodie doesn't register her husband's name. I'm assuming she died in Barnhill Poorhouse in Springburn where all the deaths would have been registered by the governor. It's odd that her father's name is known ... but not her spouse.

I wouldn't dismiss this death certificate yet ... keep it on the back burner meantime.


Just wondering ... do you have Ann Brodie (and/or) her husband in the 1861 census ? Would be interested to know if Ann was still alive at this time and where she or her husband were living.